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History of Progressivism

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The purpose of this page about the Progressive movement is to explain what Progressivism really is, where we came from, and how it differs from what Glenn Beck claims that it is.

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I realize that many visitors to this site have limited time, so in order for you to get the main ideas I am going to provide a summary of facts that Glenn Beck does NOT want you to know about Progressives and what we believe.

I have drafts of lots more material, so please stop back for updates, and share this with your conservative friends who bash progressives and have no clue what they’re talking about.

Inconvenient Facts

Progressive/populist achievements, traits, goals or outlook Glenn Beck’s side’s resistance, tendency, oppression
Optimism, progress, belief in the inherent goodness of mankind and the concept of human rights Pessimism, maintain status quo or go backwards to an imaginary “good old days”, belief that people must be controlled, very limited belief in human rights when social justice is the topic
The creation of the middle class The robber barons and hyper-rich oligarchy (yes, that’s the real spelling) and everyone else is subject to their whims
Standards for safe food, drugs, and products Let the marketplace rule; if people die from food or drug poisoning the marketplace will take care of it. Word will get around and nobody will buy the products.
Municipal police and fire departments Rule by the gun, home defense, volunteer fire departments or privately owned police and fire departments
Professional standards for doctors, lawyers, engineers, and so on rather than anyone just reading a few books and going into practice Let the market take care of itself. If you get killed by a quack, make sure your heirs spread the word around.
Growth and capitalism are great, but there must be purposeful human intervention to prevent concentration of wealth and power in the hands of a few ultra-rich Social and economic Darwinism, meaning that the strong should be allowed to seize anything they can
Social cohesion; in a society, people are not autonomous but instead are part of a complicated system of relationships with each other Every man for himself
Exposure and battle with machine politics, railroad and robber barons; the Muckrakers, the magazine, newspaper, and book writers such as Charles Francis Adams, Jr., Lincoln Steffens Integration of politics and news apparatus with Fox News operating as a 24 hour anti-Democrat noisemaker. Phony outrage and made-up scandals, wild conspiracy theories, character assassination
Pass strong child labor laws Offshore businesses to countries that use child labor to import products into America in order to make higher profits
The “Social Gospel”, foundation of the Salvation Army, a powerful attempt to work because of moral impulse to solve the problems of the poor, degraded, and impoverished worker class The Religious Right, (now infiltrated by a Mormon cultist), which largely exists as a political arm of the GOP and tries to influence centrist voters with wedge issues like prayer in public schools, “under God” in the Pledge of Allegiance, “evolution science” in schoolbooks, and abortion.
Labor and trade unions; men and women have the right to organize for collective bargaining rather than having to face the power of a company by themselves Union busting, corporations have more rights than their workers, the marketplace will take care of it and if the unions don’t like it we’ll just offshore all of our production
Living wage If you don’t like your paycheck, quit and find another job. Even if there is 15% un-and under-employment
Woman’s suffrage Women are second-class citizens in every respect. They are to stay home and raise babies (Mormon belief). If they do make it to the workplace they can only go to a certain level of management(with a few exceptions) and on average they are to be paid 28% less for the same job that a man does
Peace and negotiation, membership in the UN Pre-emptive war, endless war on “terror”, US should quit the UN and kick them out of the country
Religious and cultural tolerance The belief that there is only one true religion, Christianity, and Americans should be Christian. Other religions may be tolerated as long as they keep their place


Why “Progressives”?

Glenn Beck scapegoating progressives

Beck has no moral or academic credentials to slam progressives or anyone else. His professorial act is as phony as his Vapo-Rub tears

Why has Glenn Beck determined that “Progressives” are the root cause of all of America’s problems, real and imagined? The simple answer is that even during the birth, rise, and height of Progressivism, there were so many sub-groups with congruent and competing ideas that it was impossible to give a firm definition of what it means to be a Progressive. Today the Progressive movement is colloquially considered to be the left wing of the Democratic Party, or those who have splintered off into other leftist groups. But here’s the deal. There is no real definition of “Progressive” so Glenn Beck can define the term to mean anything he wants. How can you argue with him? Who is going to argue with him? Nobody at Fox, that’s for sure. That’s why he landed on “Progressives” to demonize, and it’s pretty clever, actually. But the bullshit stops here, Glenn. Right on this page.

Conservatives and Their Demonic Labels

Dr. Carl McIntyre, pioneer in modern hate radio

Dr. Carl McIntyre, pioneer in modern hate radio who Glenn should pay homage to each year on Carl's birthday

Glenn Beck loves to throw the word “progressives” around like it’s some kind of dirty word. For decades, conservatives have short-circuited political discourse in America through their tactics of taking a word, redefining its meaning, and then using it as a supposedly derogatory label. “Progressive” is one of the many words that has taken on this usage. There are other words, too, such as “liberal”, “socialist”, “leftist”, “black nationalist”, “labor”, “union”, even the word “democrat”. Glenn Beck is not the first, and he won’t be the last. He has a rich history of red-baiting, Jew-baiting, race-baiting, and communist witch hunts to draw on. He follows in the footsteps of Father Coughlin, Tail Gunner Joe McCarthy, Cleon Skousen, Carl McIntyre, Robert Welch, Michael Savage, Rush Limbaugh, Laura Ingram, Ann Coulter, Michael Reagan, and even Klan figures like David Duke.

The Pilonidal Cyst of Hate Radio

AM radio was on its last legs in 1987 when the FCC under the direction of Ronald Reagan quietly removed the Fairness Doctrine. The Fairness Doctrine was a rule recommended by the FCC in 1949 and implemented in 1961 that required as a condition of broadcast licensing that radio stations must present controversial issues of public importance and they must present all sides of the issue fairly. (This is not the same as Equal Time). The most famous and outspoken opponent of the Fairness Doctrine that I remember from that period was Dr. Carl McIntyre, who railed that he would never bow down to the tyrants at the FCC and to prove it he took his radio station onto a tramp steamer and parked it just outside US territorial waters. From there he continued to “prove” that there was a commie heathen behind every tree and bush in the US and call them out by name. I actually phoned into his show one night and he PICKED UP. Recently, I came across an internet site that has preserved many of his radio shows from 1970 and 1971. I believe it was April or May when I phoned in, and if I can find the .mp3 of that conversation, you’ll hear a young W.W.Wexler in action!

Pilonidal Cyst of Hate Radio

Pilonidal Cyst of Hate Radio whose career was enabled when the FCC stopped enforcing the idea that you had to be fair when you attacked people by name

Ending the Fairness Doctrine was heavenly news to the right wing nutjobs. It was also a infusion of money into the AM radio industry, which now could draw on polarized audiences driven by hate, falsehoods, smears, and demagogues to rally around their radios and buy Gold Bond Powder. The first one of these to really cash in was draft-dodging drug addict Rush Limbuagh, who took to the airwaves in as a conservative talkjock in 1984 and then after 1988 moved to NYC and has been on the air ever since. With the rescinding of the Fairness Doctrine, Rush could present all the controversial issues and make up the wildest bullshit imaginable and there was nobody that could stop him. The only way you could even get to the same audience was to buy up radio stations like they were little Monopoly pieces and this is exactly what Clear Channel and Sinclair Broadcasting, among others, have done. With mega-networks controlling what’s on the airwaves, this led to syndication and therefore an opinionated little man huffing and puffing about the l-i-i-i-i-i-berals got national attention while America’s rolls of fat got less itchy and our insoles were less flat than they could have been. Limbaugh made a cottage industry out of playing the Clintons like cheap, hillbilly violins. He came up with a new shocking scandal every week, and new revelations that played into the political hands of the mostly inept GOPER Congress who ended up trying to impeach a sitting US President over lying about whether or not he had oral sex with one of his campaign helpers.

Did You Forget About Beck or Something?

No, I was just getting around to that. Thanks for asking.

Beck has been especially busy redefining words, rewriting history, and connecting non-existent dots for about 3 years. He had about a year at CNN where he was pretty much of a failure. I remember hearing about him in those days as the “whiny guy who cries once in a while”.

Then the Mormons picked him up, then Fox picked him up, and his fortunes have changed indeed. He has a national cable TV show and a syndicated radio show, a multimillion dollar merchandising operation, a couple of really, REALLY shoddy books, and even an upcoming slap in the face to the memory of Dr. Martin Luther King, who gave his life in the struggle for black civil rights in America. He even has a whole day of his show, “Founder’s Friday”, dedicated to rewriting American history into his narrow, Mormon-poisoned, extremist worldview. The purpose of this page is to give real historical facts about the Progressive movement; how it started, what its goals are, and who are people who are pivotal in the Progressive movement from its inception through to today. This page is still developing, but I want to put it up as it is so you have some facts to use in your discussions with friends and neighbors.

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Much more to come.

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  2. this must be written by the angry young boy who’s lunch was taken by a bully , we are sorry for you.
    please review history and stop this. it will not help.
    hate is hate whichever “side” you slice it on!

    TimNo Gravatar

    4 Sep 10 at 6:16 am

  3. Hi, Tim,

    I’m the primary writer of this page. I’m actually quite happy and I wish that I were a young boy, but your mis-characterization ad hominem swing at me is really quite futile. The only reason I’m bothering to respond to it at all is to acknowledge that, yes, we get it. You don’t have a point.
    Your request for me to review history is interesting, because that’s exactly what I’ve done while preparing to write this page. You see, unlike Glenn Beck, I like to have some real facts on my side before I write, because that way when creepy, non-punctuating persons like yourself who are too lazy to use the Shift key accuse me of not having them, I can challenge you to pick one single fact that you dispute.

    Since you didn’t do that in your post, I strongly suspect that you lack the courage of your indoctrination but not the ignorance of it. If you can dispute one fact on this page, do so, or STFU and get away from my website.

    -Wexler

    admin(Wexler)No Gravatar

    4 Sep 10 at 6:38 am

  4. Wexler,
    Tim is an idiot! You can’t reason with someone that only has 10% of his brain fully functioning.
    Elaine

    ElaineNo Gravatar

    6 Sep 10 at 4:35 pm

  5. One factual error, is that the Salvation Army is not and has never been a “progressive” movement. While they did engage in similar actions in comparison to the practitioners of the “Social Gospel”, they in fact did not and do not follow the same philosophy. They are a Conservative, Evangelical Protestant denomination and are as far from the “progressive” theology that created the Social Gospel as they could be.

    Second, very few conservatives of any stripe in this age argue that all Americans should be Christians purely because they are Americans. Any that issue a statement like that are (in the majority of the cases) doing so not because they want Americans to be Christians but out of a desire to share their faith with all people, American or not.

    Furthermore, your juxtaposition of “keep their place” vs “tolerance” is unclear and misleading. Tolerance can be defined in two primary ways. First, to allow all views, even if you disagree, while still having the freedom to advocate the truth of your view. Second, to argue, as most progressives seem to, that all views are equally valid and no comparisons of truthfulness can be made because one is not more true or right than the other. It is critical to understand this second usage is much more recent and not the primary meaning of the word. The literal meaning has nothing to do with truth-claims but is about allowance to believe/practice, not whether something is right or not. What progressives mistakenly add is that ideas or beliefs must be allowed AND equally true, while most conservatives would seem to hold that it is limited to freedom to believe and no issue of the “truth” is involved. Therefore, it is unfair to say conservatives are not interested in tolerance. Perhaps you ought to be more clear what you mean by tolerance. Perhaps a little less purple prose and yellow journalism would allow you to be a little less emotional about Beck and perhaps not paint all Conservatives with a “Beck-tinted” brush.

    RyanNo Gravatar

    6 Sep 10 at 6:41 pm

  6. You are not correct when you say that “the Salvation Army is not and has never been a “progressive” movement.” It was part of the Progressive movement, having started in England and then come to America to join and strengthen the already powerful Social Gospel Movement. I have a source for this, historian Alan Brinkley who matriculated at MIT, Columbia, Harvard. And you?

    Regarding your second comment; If you’re trying to pretend that the Beck fundies don’t want the government of the US to be Christian/Mormon, you’re wrong. It’s not about “sharing their religion” it’s about institutionalizing it within the walls of the WH, the chambers of Congress, and the Judicial courtrooms. It’s the same crap that Jerry Falwell Sr and Pat Robertson were talking about. America must get God’s curtain of protection back and that means starting with demanding that our elected officials are Christian and we’re going to make damn sure there’s no mosques anywhere.

    Beck says that he speaks for God and God speaks through him. God told him to have that rally and that rally was about trashing the separation clause of the First Amendment. Period.

    Let me clarify “tolerance” and “keep their place” for you. In the progressive world, people of all religions can live side by side with each other because they understand that religion is a private matter to be handled within the constructs of society. That means that since society is secular, religion is largely irrelevant because we live in the same environment, working, going to school, raising our families, and so on. The religion part of our lives is not integrated into the general society. In Beck’s world, the one true religion of Christianity/Mormonism are running the show. You join the church, you tithe, you vote like your pastor or bishopric tells you, and if you play by the rules you become God someday. We have a situation RIGHT NOW in America where Christian fundies driven by right wing hate are demonstrating against mosques, burning construction equipment at new work sites. Is that the Christian way? Is that what you are advocating? Because that’s what’s happening, NOW.

    Please stop with the “as most progressives seem to” in your argument. It’s lame. If you don’t have any hard facts then just say it’s your opinion. In your opinion you think progressives think all views are equally valid. Where the f*ck did you ever get that idea? Progressives are the critical thinkers of the tribe, not some goofball straw man that you dream up. According to you if people who practice human sacrifice moved to town the progressives would say that’s just fine with them. Are you sure you’re from earth?

    I tire of this nonsense. Your attempt to re-define the meaning of the word “tolerance” has the look and smell of BS. Mormon BS, as it doesn’t really have anything to do with any of the real topics, it’s just another red herring. You’re slick but not that good. Yeah, it is fair to say that conservatives are not interested in tolerance. They’re interested in conservatism, which means preserving the status quo. When new ideas come along, that’s a bad thing. That’s why in the 21st century you still have people who believe in talking snakes holding up stem cell research that could make a huge difference in the quality of life on this planet. You have people who think the earth is 6000 years old and men and women walked with dinosaurs making or blocking decisions on key steps that we need RIGHT NOW to save the planet from turning into a desert.

    Conservatism is a mental disorder. Beck is just one of the latest and greatest nutjobs. I know you hate hearing it, but if you hear it enough times maybe it will sink in. The rest of us are going to fight you to the death for our right to feed our families, live in our houses, and have our lives. Conservatives have been strangling the goose that lays the golden egg. But Goldline isn’t on the phone for you right now, America is, and we want our country back from the plutocrat assholes who tried to steal it.

    admin(Wexler)No Gravatar

    6 Sep 10 at 8:52 pm

  7. Actually, “Movement Conservativism” is not about preserving the “status quo.” Its current manifestation, in Beck and the Tea Party, is mass movement with revolutionary, utopian, and milleniarian goals. And of course it needs enemies, hence the demonization of “progressives,” President Obama, and the very ironic choice of Woodrow Wilson (who is probably spinning in his racist grave over a Black man as President) as the historical antecedent (see “Lies My Teacher Told Me.”) (Originally, Theodore Roosevelt, who was actually the candidate of the Progressive Party in 1912, was Beck’s bete noire, but apparently the folks at Fox News pointed out to Glenn that TR was still a big hero to many Republicans, particularly the neo-imperialist wing the Republican Party and he switched to the Professor.)

    Other than those nits, enjoyed the blog.

    sherparickNo Gravatar

    13 Oct 10 at 5:02 am

  8. Sherparick,

    You’re correct. Movement Conservatism is different from the term “conservatism” which I used and should have clarified. I think that the current meme is that Movement Conservatism is gaining control of or perhaps already controls the part of our political machinery that used to call itself “conservative”, which is indeed a sad state of affairs for the GOP. Bill Buckley is spinning like a top.

    I was wondering if the GOP was going to let go of TR over his call for a national health plan. Even Beck couldn’t make that happen. Americans do love our mythology. I just finished reading Idiot America by Charles Pierce. He has some novel ideas about how things work (and don’t work) in today’s sold-out society. It’s a good read.

    Thanks for your comment. Now I have the image of TR and Beck engaged in an old time no-gloves boxing match, and TR is wailing on Beck, who keeps running away but TR is grabbing his fetal body, flipping it over, and gruffly saying “Stop cowering, you imbecile, stand up and take what’s coming to you like a man!”

    Ah, if only…

    -Wexler

    admin(Wexler)No Gravatar

    13 Oct 10 at 5:58 am

  9. Umm…Sir? I’m still waiting for the facts. Just what is the history of progressivism? How did it start? Why did it start? How is is same/different from what it began as? Why is beck wrong, how do you dispute his comments? I read you article, and as well written as it is, you did a great job of bashing beck and limbaugh, but didn’t even begin to make reference to ANYTHING relevant. I am a big fan of Beck and Limbaugh, and am waiting for you to prove me wrong. So stop your bashing; focus, and get to the subject at hand.

    And if you could, please, keep the over-used rhetoric (i.e. ‘rewriting American history’ into his ‘narrow’, ‘Mormon-poisoned’, ‘extremist’ worldview) to a minimum.

    Thank you sir. I look forward to the rest of your article.
    Matt

    MattNo Gravatar

    8 Nov 10 at 10:42 pm

  10. You need to be more specific, Matt.

    Have you taken any American history classes at the college level, Matt? I have. I’ve taken several. Would you like me to suggest some reading material for you? Progressivism started as a reaction to what Beck and Limbaugh and others of their ilk are suggesting we return to, namely, a chaotic system of winner take all, every man for themselves, a small handful of industrial and financial billionaires and everyone else scrambling for crumbs under their table. If it weren’t for Progressivism we wouldn’t have the middle class, living wages, professional standards, public libraries and schools, and a host of other things that were designed to help stabilize this nation and move it forward.

    Plus, it’s fair.

    When you say you’re “still waiting”, what are you waiting for? The truth about Progressivism from Beck? He’ll be gone from the airwaves before that happens. He lost 28% of his audience in the last year, in October, this year, an election year, down 28%. Wow. You’d better buy up the Goldine stuff while they still have the “Glenn Beck Special” deals.

    -Wexler

    admin(Wexler)No Gravatar

    9 Nov 10 at 6:30 am

  11. Mr. Wexler,

    I’m on your side but wonder if you can see the contradiction in your words… you speak of the Right’s religious intolerance but you use the term “Mormon poisoned” and “Mormon BS” in ways that leads me to believe that you harbor some ill feeling towards a religion different than your own. Sounds like intolerance to me. The Amish believe and practice women staying home to “raise babies”… does that mean they are poisoned and BS as well??

    You have a very good website and present your argument very well but, in my opinion, using these terms come off as hypocritical.

    Regards,
    Boris

    BorisNo Gravatar

    11 Nov 10 at 1:26 pm

  12. The Mormons do not qualify as a religion; they are a cult and a political activist group.

    I think all religions are trash and I believe the world would be a better place without any of them.

    Thanks for your comment, I hope that clears up any questions you may have regarding my religious prejudice.

    -Wexler

    admin(Wexler)No Gravatar

    11 Nov 10 at 1:38 pm

  13. Hahaha. I’m glad you’ve taken several college classes. Maybe you can help to teach me something yet.

    What I am waiting on, sir, is an actual article on HOW the progressives brought about “middle class, living wages, professional standards, public libraries and schools, and a host of other things that were designed to help stabilize this nation and move it forward.” What were the events that made it into a national issue? Who were the ones that brought it to the national stage and when?

    Or maybe you should just send along those reading suggestions. Perhaps they could pass along the information I’m looking for without being condescending. (by the way, no…I havn’t taken any history classes yet. I’m only in my freshman year. I felt my time was better spent in Federal Service than in the classroom.)

    MattNo Gravatar

    17 Nov 10 at 6:10 pm

  14. You’re asking a lot of questions and although they are overlapping (due to the nature of the topic) they also contain separate and complicated subtopics.

    I’m going to ask you a couple of questions before I answer yours, because your answers to these questions will determine how I answer your question. First of all, do you really want to understand these ideas or are you looking for a gotcha? Second of all, have you done ANY research on the internet using search engines to look for information and FREE electronic books from libraries, etc? Third, why are you so interested in finding “an article” to explain all of this to you?

    If you think I’m condescending now, wait to see what happens if you give the wrong answers.

    Good day, “sir”.

    PS Anyone of your age who had a passing interest in American history should have had a year of it in high school. What were you doing in that class besides dreaming about being all you could be?

    admin(Wexler)No Gravatar

    17 Nov 10 at 9:27 pm

  15. Clearly it is too much to ask for an atricle titled “History of Progressivism” contain anything about history of progressivism. I was truely curious, wanted to learn the origins to better my understanding of a topic. Was it the comment I made about asking you to validate your distain for Beck? Is that what raised your hackles? Or are you just another liberal hack that hates everything that doesn’t fit into their little view of “fair?” Or maybe you’re another mindless drone, sucking in every little driblet of hate drooled out by **insert any mainstream meadia outlet here(yes, fox news too)** and has no real thoughts or understanding of anything on their own. I listen to Glen and Rush because I share their overall political phylosophy…low taxes, small govt., gun rights, states rights. I’m sure you disagree with every one of those, may not even see why any person could possibly consider them. I listen to Glen and Rush, laugh at their jokes, when there is something that provokes a reaction, I research it and learn about it. For myself.

    I did do a search, and your page came up. I was (again) surprised that the title was totally unrelated to the body of the paper. I continued to search, and found a bunch of crap…either too vague, or too in depth for my timeframe.

    I was hoping you could for a few minutes put aside your biases and help another human out…isn’t that what you liberals do? But clearly I was wrong.

    P.s. Anyone of my age and a passing intrest in American history DID have a year of it in high school, but 2 tours in Iraq and a decade tend to blur the details. But again…I’m sure that is nothing you would understand.

    Semper Fi,
    May you meet the God you desire.

    MattNo Gravatar

    17 Nov 10 at 10:15 pm

  16. In other words you’re another rightwing asshat.

    That’s what I wanted to know before I wasted any time on you, and you have let me know in spades. You are a waste of time, you already know everything you want to know, and you have your version of truth. I can’t teach anything to somebody who knows everything.

    You’ll get a lot further in life with an open mind, Matt.

    So you did two tours in Iraq. What do you want me to do, stand up and cheer? You volunteered for the military. As a pacifist, I find that to be disgusting. The war in Iraq didn’t have to be fought, it was an optional war that Bush picked for political purposes and because he was cracked enough to want to be a “war president”. Did you kill anybody or lose any friends there? Because if you did, you did it for absolutely nothing. The Iraq war was totally meaningless. What do you call people who kill a half a million people, displace 4 million, and execute their leader… all based on lies? Well, would you entertain the word “psychopathic”? Or how about “pathological”?

    Please spare us the “semper fi” routine. This is the internet. You could be a fat 16 year old poser for all I know. It’s obvious that you didn’t come here for any reason other than to try to start some shit up. Look where you got with that.

    You have no idea what Glenn Beck’s “political philosophy” is. None whatsoever. Read Idiot America, Matt. That’s the book you need to read first. If you read it, and come back with some real questions rather than posting to me like you think you’re some kind of clever version of James O’Keefe, I’ll talk to you. Otherwise, please feel free to wallow in your ignorance, as you seem to enjoy doing immensely.

    -Wexler

    admin(Wexler)No Gravatar

    18 Nov 10 at 5:22 am

  17. Very interesting article Wexler, thanks for the insight. Glenn Beck is the most interesting person to me… I don’t believe he could honestly be as naive as he claims to be. I’m convinced the man is simply a media-whore and out to make a profit. Fox News certainly doesn’t care about conservative politics (remember it’s Fox that has Family Guy!).

    To Matt,

    Please do not take this as condescending or spiteful in any way, and I don’t want you to think I’m simply bashing your conservative views. However, I do have to agree with Wexler that Glenn Beck is a liar, plain and simple. The other day, he claimed that Billionaire Soros was evil because he supported the Velvet Revolution (the peaceful overthrow of the communist dictatorship in the Czech Republic) because he was “destabilizing governments”. You can bet that he was depending on the average conservative viewer not knowing what the Velvet Revolution was when he made that comment (a simple google search for “glenn beck velvet revolution” is all you need to find information). What is sad is that this kind of remark is common for Beck, and sadly, his viewers don’t usually check their facts, resulting in a grossly misinformed and misguided voter base. However, I do agree with you on one thing – I was hoping to find a comprehensive article on the history of progressivism on this page.

    Thanks for considering my pov.

    BenderNo Gravatar

    19 Nov 10 at 10:30 am

  18. Thanks for your comment.

    My website partner Quinn agrees with Matt’s point, and you have now restated it, that there should be more history there. A short explanation.

    When I did this page, I was in a hurry to get it up before the 8-28 rally. As you can see, I didn’t make it. But since our site was getting many thousands of hits from people trying to sort Beck out after the rally, I thought it was important to get something up right away, so I went with what I had. What a more accurate name might be for this as it now stands is “An Overview of Progressivism” or perhaps “A Comparative Look At Progressivism and Conservatism”.

    I have written a lot more material for this page, and it’s just sad but I haven’t had time to organize, rewrite, and publish. For someone who is supposed to be retired, I sure don’t have much time.

    For someone actually looking for material, this copout is no help whatsoever. So please accept it as an explanation, not an excuse. I plan to remedy this in the near future.

    Thanks for your patience. I am behind schedule on another piece I’m supposed to have done in 13 hours, which is the one year anniversary of Beck announcing he had a plan/non plan from God. We still have no idea what the plan is.

    Please check back, I’ll get these done as soon as humanly possible.

    -Wexler

    admin(Wexler)No Gravatar

    19 Nov 10 at 10:43 am

  19. you know wexler I read completly through this hopin you would answer some of the questions people asked you and i got nothing.. all you did was bash them telling them to answer questions you had before you would answer them.. come on defend yourself you pussy. And then you talk to a guy that has been on two tours in Iraq and all you can say is “what do you want me to do, stand up and cheer?” .. even if you are opposed to the war have some respect. I have never been in a war or really had anyone close to me go over there but im not going to bash on someone that has left everything they have known to go do something that they even may not like.. So if the Government lies and glenn beck lies who am i to believe?? You say “You’ll get a lot further in life with an open mind” and in hearing fox news, msnbc, cnn it doesnt matter everything you hear opens your mind.. It makes you think.. Glenn beck tells me stuff i have never heard before most of the time.. so you know what i do?? i look it up and see if what he is saying is true. i dont believe everything the man says i watch him sometimes and just think to myself this guy is making way to big of deal about this.. but you know the same shit happens with any other idea i hear. ideas are what we live by. people taking other peoples ideas and forming there own. I dont want to hear the same stuff like i have my entire life. i want something to make me question everything and make me find out for myself and form my own ideas.
    I want to hear something from you defend yourself, chang my mind. If what he tells me is false, you tell me what is true and back it up with facts that i can find by myself.
    And yes i am also to lazy to capitolize my words and there is proly some spelling mistakes but i dont really care.

    CUdiNo Gravatar

    30 Nov 10 at 12:51 pm

  20. Hello, CUdi

    You should read “How To Win Friends and Influence People”.

    I’m not exactly sure what sort of a response you’re looking for; but I am guessing that nothing I put here would meet your requirements because I don’t really see any. You are asking me to defend myself. From what? Defend myself from your questions? You need to ask one. You want me to change your mind? From what? To what? You haven’t put up an argument, so there’s nothing to defend.

    You state that you are a Glenn Beck viewer. You say he tells you things you’ve never heard before. The reason why you’ve never heard them before is because he makes things up. Actually, there is another possibility, which is that you’ve spent your life as a lazy, anti-intellectual fool who wants to have “facts” spoon-fed to you by lying demagogues because it would be too much trouble for you to actually crack a book. Do I have that right? Thought so.

    You’re on the page about Progressivism. IF you read this page, you now know have more information about the topic that is actually true and useful than you will ever get from Glenn Beck. That’s OK… no thanks are necessary, I enjoy dragging people out of their moral quagmires of ignorance, even if they are kicking and screaming.

    Did that change your mind or do you require something else? How about a reading list?

    -Wexler

    PS The last person I heard use the word “pussy” in the context you are using it has Tourette’s.

    admin(Wexler)No Gravatar

    30 Nov 10 at 1:15 pm

  21. I don’t have cable so I’m not blessed with the ability to watch Mr. Beck’s Fox”News” program. I also work during the day and am unable to afford the luxury of listening to his radio broadcast. I HAVE reviewed his transcripts on Foxnews.com and based on my calculations have found that about 90% of those daily transcripts have blatant historical, financial, statistical, and to some degree interpretive errors. I realize that taking a small sampling (online transcripts of 10 minute segments of his TV show) of the overall output (the full show, his radio show, and his many public appearances, books, articles, etc.) might seem insufficient to some, but I liken it to reaching into a haystack and pulling out a small handful of hay. If I shake that handful and find 20 needles in it, I can be pretty sure that haystack is chock full of needles.

    That being said, I would suggest changing the name of this particular page to something other than “History of Progressivism.” Perhaps something like “The Progressivism Deconstruction Errors of Glenn Beck and the Extremist Right.” As you noted in your article and responses, the history of Progressivism entails a myriad of different eras, contexts, and fundamental changes in its application to society. It’s been changing since the mid 19th century and will continue to do so for a long time. It’s far too complex to reduce to a 2 column comparison (albeit a good comparison as a snapshot of today’s issues…) Call the page what it is, an initial defense of the concept of Progressivism as it stands today. There is absolutly nothing to be ashamed of in calling oneself a Progressive.

    BillNo Gravatar

    11 Dec 10 at 7:01 pm

  22. Thanks for your comment.

    Yeah, I have to spend some more time on the “history” part. I really do, it’s a criticism well taken. I also agree with your point about statistical sampling… I haven’t thought about statistical sampling for a while so I got a chuckle.

    I also agree that 2 columns isn’t enough. There should be more on this page, and I will do it someday, I expect. I just am having too much fun with other things at the moment.

    Again, thanks for your thoughts, and you’re always welcome!

    -Wexler

    admin(Wexler)No Gravatar

    11 Dec 10 at 8:16 pm

  23. I think Matt deserves a reply concerning the history of the progressive movement. First off – just google “The Progressive Movement” for many authoritative educational articles on its history.

    Here’s the FranksAmericana take:
    The Progressive Movement in the US was originaly a quite Christian movement with its basis in anti slavery during the mid 19th century. It moved forward in the 1870′s to early 1900′s with the labor movement, and was led by such notable Americans as Williams Jennings Byrant, Theodore Roosevelt, and Jacob Riis. Martin Luther King and Mohatmed Ghandi probably would have accepted the title of progressive as well.

    In the 1980′s it was adopted in Central America under the label of “Liberation Theology” and while dammed by Mr Beck in his address on the Mall, and yes even the late Pope John Paul. The nuns raped and executed by right wing faciasts in El Salvador in the 80′s and Arch Bishop Romero of El Salvador gave their lives for their progresive views on feeding poor people.

    BTW Jesus was also a progressive – he too was executed for defending the poor and upsetting the established order.

    Great blog Wexler – and as Boris stated – as mad as we get, it is better to turn the other cheek and just let facts speak for themselves.

    FranksAmericanaNo Gravatar

    8 Feb 11 at 5:38 pm

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