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Glenn Beck – Mormon?

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Bill Maher on Mormons: “Mitt Romney is a candidate for President and Glenn Beck is a candidate for Thorazine.”

Update 8/30/10

Mormon repellant, must have by front door

We can't keep this on the shelves in Iowa. Also repels flies and roaches.

In the aftermath of the Beck-a-pa-looza Jeezus Festival on the National Mall, (same general area where the Bill of Rights guaranteeing us separation of church and state was written), serious questions have arisen regarding Beck’s membership in the Mormon cult and by what authority he pretends to tell Christians how to worship, live, and hate their President.

This is not the first time that Beck has raised the eyebrows of the Xtian community. This spring he was invited by Liberty University (yes, the Liberty University founded by Jerry Falwell), arguably the hottest of the hotbeds of Christian conservative political action on the face of the planet, to give the Commencement Address. YET… Christians don’t recognize Mormons as Christians at all, in fact many think they are a cult. The more fundie you are the more likely you are to think that Mormons are a cult, and Liberty U is the fundiest of them all.

So WTF is going on here? We appear to have ourselves an inexplicable situation. The bizzaro-worldliness of it all boggles the mind. A heretic spending 6 months in the national media calling a gathering of TeaBaggers to a browbeating about how they need to get off their asses and on their knees and pray like SOBs in their temple BVDs. Is the enemy of my enemy my friend?

What I mean is, does the common racism of the TeaBaggers and Liberty University (which forbade interracial dating until quite recently) trump the Christian right’s natural revulsion to Mormon heretical teachings? And I mean HERETICAL. Baptize any dead people lately? How about Jezus and Satan being twin brothers? Or that God and Jesus are flesh and blood, just like you and me? Or that Jesus was married and actually did quite a bit of screwing with his WIVES (yes, that’s plural)? Or how about that YOU TOO can become GOD. All you have to do is convert to Mormonism and obey the cult rules and when you die, you become God. (Offer only good in alternate universes).

I have predicted that the “Restore Honor” rally will result in backlash and revulsion. I believe I hear the herd a’comin’.

Update 7/15/10

A recent email I got from the Iowa chapter of the ACLU warns of an onslaught of anti-LGBT marriage activism coming to Iowa. Some of our state candidates are making this an issue; it is a serious problem for those of us who believe in equal rights for all people. However, we are confident that we can defeat these bigots.

National Organization for Marriage poured an estimated $32 million dollars into Prop 8 in California and another $2 million on Question 1 in Maine. This seemingly endless fountain of money comes from the Mormons, there is no doubt of it. They just have not been caught yet. We are preparing to distribute copies of the film “8: The Mormon Proposition” to make sure everyone here understands the cult they are dealing with and how they intend to impose theocratic law over the civil right to choose your spouse.

Update 5/13/10

I’ve had an email exchange with someone named “Ethan” who uses a fictitious email address. He took issue with the comment I made in the story about Beck’s ratings drop and his bogus crying while talking about the Founders. I stated that the women trapped in the Mormon cult are property, not people, and they are to spit babies out of their vaginas like a Tommy gun.

Ethan, being the Mormon that he is, began to try to prostheyletize me by saying the Mormons were the first ones to give women the right to vote.

That’s true. However, it doesn’t mean that everything that I posted back to Ethan isn’t also true. Apparently he thinks it is, too, because he can’t refute a word of it. Here’s the story, actually it’s a research paper WITH REFERENCES that slams the Mormon cult for its treatment of women.

http://www.exmormon.org/mormwomn.htm

Decide for yourself. Ethan the Mormon apparently agrees with all of it. His only defense of this atrocious facet of the cult is that the information presented came from an anti-Mormon site. OK, Ethan, it doesn’t matter where it came from. It’s either true or it’s not true. If it’s not true, I gave you your chance to prove it. Now you’re done, at least with this site. What an oaf you are, trying the Mormon god talk on someone like me. What an idiot.

I used to believe that the Mormons wouldn’t distance themselves from Glenn Beck because of what they said publicly; namely, everyone in the church has free will to do what they will. Now I know the truth. The reason why they won’t distance themselves from Beck is because they agree with him… he’s one of them, and he articulates their crazy thoughts on national TV and radio networks 5 days a week. It’s like free advertising for the Mormon cult.

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Update 11/23/09

After much more research into the Mormon group, and after seeing the Mormons in action through their front group NOM (National Organization for Marriage), it makes perfect sense to me that Glenn Beck is a Mormon. It also makes perfect sense that the Mormon Church would not make any public statement distancing themselves from Glenn. It’s because he’s a crackpot and the Mormons are a crackpot cult.

During my research on Glenn and his “church”, I have found a lot of information from ex-Mormons who have escaped the church. “Escape” is a strong word, but that’s actually a pretty good description of what you have to do to leave the fold. They make it very difficult; while you are a member you are extremely restricted as to your circle of friends and anyone outside the group is OUTSIDE. That means that you if you have a choice, you choose NOT to do business with them, be friends with them, and certainly you wouldn’t marry one of THEM.

I will be writing much more on the topic of the Mormon cult and how it is intertwined with right wing nut job politics in America. The Glenn Beck “socialist” “communist” “fascist” routine is NOT something he made up. He’s not bright enough to make that up. Instead, he is simply repeating the crackpot ideas of Cleon Skousen, a notorious red-baiting Mormon who was a true McCarthyite in every sense of the word, including the corruption aspect. I will leave you with a few links for today:

http://www.ils.unc.edu/~unsworth/mormon/index.html

http://www.wakeupsaints.com/truth/W.%20Cleon%20Skousen%20-%20The%205,000%20Year%20Leap.php

http://www.wakeupsaints.com/truth/Ezra%20Taft%20Benson%20-%20Freedom%20and%20Free%20Enterprise.php

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Glenn Beck makes a lot of noise about how his conversion to the Mormon faith has changed his life. Look, I’m no expert on Mormons but I have to ask myself how the Mormons or any church could tolerate some of the behaviors that he exhibits.

I will be updating this page frequently with links to audio and video that to me is behavior that would not be tolerated by any church. It certainly would not be tolerated from anyone who piously claims to follow a worldwide church’s teachings and then takes this crap to the international stage of cable TV and radio.

Here’s an interesting link to a page called The Messenger which has a rather lengthy debate and discussion about whether or not Glenn Beck is actually Mormon. Read it HERE.

PLEASE NOTE: If you have any video or audio links that you believe ought to be on this page, please post them below or email them to me at wexler@glennbeckreport.com

P.S. I am actively seeking a statement from the LDS Leaders where they either support or distance themselves from Glenn Beck. They OWE this to their membership. They OWE IT.

Bizarre, non-Mormon Glenn Beck Moments

Drinking wine, threatening to kill Nancy Pelosi

Smoking cigarette

Fantasizing about killing Michael Moore with his bare hands

Calling the President a Racist

Lying about what Americorps does
Note: the original video I had here was taken down so I found another discussion of the same topic with Glenn, Michelle Malkin, and Pat Caddell. The “numbers” thing that Glenn is talking about at the beginning sounds to me like he’s trying to nail down whether AmeriCorps has a $550 billion dollar budget as claimed in the video that was taken down or $550 million dollars. But I’m just speculating about that. In the other video he did claim AmeriCorps has a budget as big as the Pentagon, they are going to use it to fund a massive socialist Marxist anarchist plot to destroy the country, take away your guns, put you in FEMA detention centers, and whatever else he can dream up.

Mocking a caller with no health insurance, then going absolutely psychotic on her



UPDATE 9/30/09

I called the Mormon Church offices yesterday to try to see if I could pin them down on whether or not they stand with Glenn Beck. Talking points: Beck is bat-shit crazy, called the President a racist, phony conspiracy theory about AmeriCorps as Obama’s Gestapo, fantasizes about murder, and THEN he makes a big deal about how his conversion to Mormonism changed his life. Questions… unless the Mormon Church wants a new wave of “cult” rumors started about it, shouldn’t they want to distance themselves from Glenn Beck? “It’s in your own best interests”, I said.

Well, I couldn’t get Brother Jacob to commit to a statement. But he gave me the number of Scott Trotter, who apparently handles PR fiascoes for the Mormons. They have a good number of them, with members “escaping” from the Church and then writing tell-all books about it. Their multi-million dollar campaign to overturn gay marriage (Prop 8) in California has cost them a lot of friends, too. Anyway, if you have time to call Scott Trotter, maybe he will pick up the phone for you. His number: 801-240-2205. That is, if Brother Jacob wan’t just shining me on.

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  1. Why don’t you call the Pope on Pelosi, now that is one scary nut job. Let me know how that works out.
    Oh, I just read that 5 more Mormon churchs were vandalized. Keep up the good work.

    Ron NNo Gravatar

    12 Oct 09 at 1:40 pm

  2. I guess it would be because Pelosi doesn’t make a big deal about her religion everywhere she goes.

    If the Mormon church wants to disassociate itself with the extremist views of one of its members, all they have to do is make a public statement. By not making the statement, they are condoning death threats, conspiracy theories, and other hijinks by an outspoken member of the church who claims that his conversion to Mormonism made him what he is today.

    Live with it, or disown it.

    adminNo Gravatar

    12 Oct 09 at 2:24 pm

  3. LOL This guy brings up Pelosi to deflect from Beck. Douchebag…Glenn Beck is a fraud.

    p0tNo Gravatar

    27 Oct 09 at 7:58 am

  4. Oh yeah, I love how he brings up Mormon churches being vandalized like it is your fault. But I bet he will deny the racist and extreme right wing anti abortion rhetoric of Fixed News had nothing to with Dr. Tiller “The baby Killer”‘s murder.

    p0tNo Gravatar

    27 Oct 09 at 8:00 am

  5. While I am not a liberal, I did vote for Obama and I sincerely hope that he turns around and does what is best for the country and the majority of it’s citizens. Moore is right about Obama using what he has while he has it. The Republicans have found a common enemy for themselves and a good portion of the whites in America, and that enemy is Obama. They couch it in several terms, but it all boils down to racism. I never thought I’d live to see white Americans revert to racial attitudes that I thought were dead, but we can’t deny what has happened. I remember my Dad and uncles changing partys back in the 60s because of the Civil Rights Act, and I remember why. It’s the “southern stratagy” all over again, but this time on a national scale. It makes me sick to hear people who I thought were open-minded Christians say the things they say. It makes me ashamed to be considered one of them.

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    8 Mar 10 at 8:29 pm

  6. I just wanted to say that I am a deeply devout, very active Mormon, and a convert to the church of 13 years now. My church and faith means everything to me. I have TONS of dear and close friends outside of our church, my very best friend being a casual Methodist, and many and numerous dealings in business and otherwise with those not of my faith AND I am a liberal. My church is not oppressive. On the contrary. I did vote for Obama, hated every second of the the Bush era. My church does not tell me how to vote.

    I think Glenn Beck is a complete IDIOT and IMBECILE. I love Jon Stewart. Sometimes I wonder if Glenn Beck was planted by the anti-Mormon movement to turn people off of our church. There are MANY who feel like I do about this man. There is even a facebook group called “Mormons embarrassed by Glenn Beck.”

    Please do not make these statements about my church on your website just because the crackpot Glenn Beck happened to stumble over the threshold of one of our chapels. The church cannot be responsible for him! he does not hold a high profile assignment in the church. He does not represent the church politically, at all. Our church cares about the poor. Glenn Beck is an idiotic and hateful person. So unlike the ideal we aspire to.

    My sentiments were eloquently expressed by another extremely faithful mormon:

    Nelly AdamsonNo Gravatar

    21 Mar 10 at 10:53 pm

  7. Nelly, thank you for your comment and please do not take personal offense at my response to it.

    I am glad for you that you think that Glenn Beck is a complete idiot and imbecile. I’m also glad that you love Jon Stewart and consider yourself to be a liberal. I’m happy to emphasize that there is a Facebook group called “Mormons embarrassed by Glenn Beck.”

    Here’s where things are going to get sticky.

    When I first started this page, I really didn’t know that much about Mormonism. That’s because the Mormons are secretive, period. What other explanation can you offer for that? When I was growing up, I knew something about all the Christian churches, because I had friends from those churches and they would casually mention things that they were doing. There wasn’t a mosque in our town, but there were Mormons there and I had Mormon acquaintances and none of them would ever talk about their church. If you disagree that the Mormons are secretive, please state why and how you believe your church is operating in plain view of the world.

    As I began to build the case that Glenn Beck does not really represent the Mormons, I started this page by pointing out his statements and behavior that surely no church could condone. That’s where the first rub happens. I tried to get someone from the LDS organization in SLC to go on the record that Glenn Beck does not speak for the Mormons. Guess what? NOBODY would do that, and to this day no one has. Why is that?

    Well, I found out the answer to that, too. The LDS official explanation is that every member is a free agent and the church doesn’t control what individual members say. (That’s largely bullshit, by the way, and I will address that shortly). That statement may contain a grain of truth but it’s a disingenuous dodge designed to put people off. I don’t like having a script read to me when I’m asking a question, and that’s what the folks in SLC did, so I’m sure I’m not the first one to call their toll-free number about Glenn Beck. Here’s how it’s a dodge. The Mormons may claim that they don’t associate their beliefs with Glenn Beck, but the plain truth is that Glenn Beck associates himself with the Mormons and makes a big deal about it. There is a video on YouTube where he explains how he found Mormon God, and it’s just another Glenn Beck commercial.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-bxJOrSAgA&feature=related

    I would be more inclined to believe the LDS leadership dodge that they don’t control Beck if in fact they never controlled anyone. But the Mormons DO control people. I know this to be true from talking to people who have escaped the “church”. If you don’t know any ex-Mormons, you just need to have Google. Google for this phrase: “mormons control members”.

    http://www.google.com/#hl=en&safe=off&q=mormons+control+members&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&fp=1dc62da33e2ff469

    You get more than a million hits, and there are thousands of articles written by ex-Mormons who talk about how the LDS controlled every aspect of their lives, including what they were able to say in public.

    If the LDS leadership thought that Glenn Beck was an embarrassment, a lying freak, or was acting outside the D&C they would stop him in a heartbeat. But they don’t. The majority of Mormons agrees with Beck, especially every filthy lie he tells about Obama, because they believe that black people are cursed. I think that the LDS leaders believe that Beck is an opportunity for them to gain more political leverage and reach their real goal which is to replace the US government with the Mormon Priesthood.

    If anyone has any doubts that the LDS leaders could stop Beck if they wanted to, please click on the link I posted above and start reading. Or if you feel like having a bit of entertainment, call the Mormon Hot Line or “chat live”.

    http://www.mormon.org/mormonorg/eng/ask-a-question/chat-live

    Or call the Mormons directly at their compound in Salt Lake City: 1-801-240-1000

    If you will refer to my second article about Glenn Beck’s Mormonism vs Fundie Christians, you will find a list of heresies which disqualify the Mormons from calling themselves Christians. You will also find a list of characteristics that make an organization a “cult”. There is no doubt that the Mormons are a cult.

    Nelly, if you need help to get out of this mess you’ve gotten yourself into, there is help to be found. Here are a couple of links to help:

    http://keystonebooks.com/TWELVE_STEP_RECOVERY.pdf
    http://www.postmormon.org/exp_e/index.php/home
    http://www.exmormon.org/

    Good luck, Nelly. From what I have seen of the LDS cult, you will need it.

    My second interest in the Mormons came quite by accident. I found out through my research into what the “church” does that it has pumped millions of dollars into smear campaigns against LGBT marriage. To be exact, they spent $18 million on Prop 8 and $2 million on Question 1. This makes the Mormons a political action organization masquerading as a church for tax cover. There is a court battle in progress in Maine right now to force NOM (National Organization for Marriage, a Mormon front group) to disclose its donors. They are now in direct defiance of Maine’s courts; they refuse to reveal their donors because their donors are… THE MORMONS.

    Why do the Mormons hate and oppress LGBTs, blacks, and women? Why do they want to operate a church controlled by rich white men with a worldview that comes from the 1800s? Why do the Mormons keep the public out of their rituals? Why do they not reveal their political activities as required by law? Why do so many ex-Mormons say that the LDS is a cult that was almost impossible for them to leave without destroying their friendships, their family, their job, etc etc?

    Please do not attempt to do PR for the Mormons here. I am not inclined to fall for it.

    adminNo Gravatar

    23 Mar 10 at 7:04 am

  8. Mormonism is a mad cult. So it follows logically that Glenn Beck is a Mormon.

  9. To JRS…

    Yes, they are a mad cult. I think their numbers indicate that someone took a pee in the gene pool.

    Of course, just yesterday the Harris Poll indicated that 24% of GOPers think Obama may be the anti-Christ, and a majority of GOPers are “birthers”.

    No wonder their party is imploding…. they depend on a construct of conspiracy theories and lies to keep the faith instead of any ideas about how to fix very real problems that are crushing Americans.

    Personally, I believe that all religions are deeply flawed so I have no particular bone to pick with any of them except that Mormons are a domestic political action group masquerading as a church for tax purposes. They are an authoritarian cult, driven by money they squeeze out of families who are stuck inside the church.

    There are support groups if you are trying to leave the Mormon cult. Every Mormon who reads this owes it to themselves and their family to get OUT of that cult.

    adminNo Gravatar

    24 Mar 10 at 5:53 am

  10. Oh, I don’t subscribe to any religion. They’re all a pack of lies. Mormonism is just quite a bit crazier than the others. And that’s pretty damned crazy.

  11. Wexler,

    What a fascinating blog. I admire your passion even if I disagree with nearly 100% of your statements. (Not trying to slam you, just trying to be transparent up front.)

    Two things on your “Glenn Beck Mormon” page.

    First, given the thought and research you’ve obviously put in elsewhere on your site, it was strange to me to see some of your quotes and background on Mormonism were primarily opinion pieces from disgruntled Mormons. Those people’s opinions are just as valid as a non-disgruntled person’s opinion is, but it doesn’t lend itself to scientific scrutiny: The whole problem with trying to hold a discussion on religion in general. I can’t prove God exists, my opponent can’t prove he doesn’t. It’s the problem trying to disprove a conspiracy theory. “Ah, the fact that no proof exists that Obama was born in Kenya only PROVES how wide reaching the conspiracy is!” How do you refute an argument like that? You can’t, other than to explain that your opponent is an idiot.

    So, my suggestion would be to not try to prove the Mormon church is evil, or a cult or “not the true church.” You’ll never be able to prove it, because at it’s heart, faith (in this case faith in a religion) defies logic. Plus, there are plenty of sites out there that are REALLY hard core anti-Mormon and you problem don’t have time to keep up with them.

    The issue of the Church as a PAC will be played out in the courts, not just in Maine, but there are still cases pending in CA, I believe.

    It might be interesting to show (as you’ve attempted to) how Glenn’s actions and statements disagree with the official Mormon statements/beliefs. For example, the smoking thing was probably offensive to most Mormons.

    Second, More disclosure: I’m an active member of the Mormon Church,(Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints), although I, of course do not in any speak for them.

    With that said, I would be happy to share my experience with the church. Don’t get me wrong, I have no interest in proselyting. Anyone interested in that can head over the http://www.lds.org and get the official word. I’m talking about just general run-of-the-mill questions about Mormon life/theology.

    For example, some of the links you reference imply that Mormons hate black people. LOL While I myself am white, I’ve adopted 7 black kids. I certainly don’t hate them. . . well, not often, but then, they’re kids!

    The article you link to also implies that to be a “good” Mormon you have to turn away from your non-Mormon friends. I’m not sure what the life situation for the author was, but my personal experience was different. My two closest friends in the world are non-Mormon. These are men whom I would trust with my life, family and money. (I’m not sure I’d trust many Mormons I know with that last one.)

    Your information on Mormon divorces is also muddled and not entirely accurate. (Based on my experience watching family members get divorced and remarried.)

    My offer is motivated by the fact that I like your site, but much of the information on the “Mormon” page takes away from the integrity of the rest of the site.

    If you’d rather have the discussion off-board so you can decide what you want to post, feel free to email me at the email address associated with this post.

    Again, thanks for the blog. It makes me question my beliefs and that’s always a fun exercise.

    - Rodney Bliss

    Rodney BlissNo Gravatar

    19 May 10 at 10:26 am

  12. Dear Rodney,

    Thank you for your detailed and excellent comment.

    I appreciate your thoughts greatly, and I will respond to them as time permits. Unfortunately, that won’t be today, since I have 8 students today. I’m sure we will find places to agree to disagree.

    Cheers,

    Wexler

    adminNo Gravatar

    19 May 10 at 10:40 am

  13. Replying to Rodney Bliss’ post below….

    Submitted on 2010/05/19 at 10:26am

    Wexler,

    What a fascinating blog. I admire your passion even if I disagree with nearly 100% of your statements. (Not trying to slam you, just trying to be transparent up front.)

    Thank you for your candor. I hope you won’t take offense at anything I post to you, either. I’m sure we will disagree. In the interest of being up front, let me state that I am an atheist, so I do not have a dog in this fight per se. However, since I am a fierce advocate of separation of church and state, you will find me taking issues with any assumption that religions can organize, enjoy tax exempt status, and engage in any organized political process.

    Two things on your “Glenn Beck Mormon” page.

    First, given the thought and research you’ve obviously put in elsewhere on your site, it was strange to me to see some of your quotes and background on Mormonism were primarily opinion pieces from disgruntled Mormons. Those people’s opinions are just as valid as a non-disgruntled person’s opinion is, but it doesn’t lend itself to scientific scrutiny: The whole problem with trying to hold a discussion on religion in general. I can’t prove God exists, my opponent can’t prove he doesn’t. It’s the problem trying to disprove a conspiracy theory. “Ah, the fact that no proof exists that Obama was born in Kenya only PROVES how wide reaching the conspiracy is!” How do you refute an argument like that? You can’t, other than to explain that your opponent is an idiot.

    OK, you’re right, the only stuff I have put on this site regarding Mormons is the negative stuff. However, that’s the stuff you proponents ought to be the most interested in, because those are the objections you need to overcome if you want to have a positive or even neutral reputation in the public’s mind. Maybe you don’t care what the public thinks. I think that people who have been inside the church are much more able to speak to what goes on inside it than I am. If you’re suggesting that I should put positive stuff up to balance the negative stuff, how would that make it more scientific? I consider the negative stuff to be data; if it can be proven to be invalid then it’s bad data. Nobody has tried to do that yet (here).

    So, my suggestion would be to not try to prove the Mormon church is evil, or a cult or “not the true church.” You’ll never be able to prove it, because at it’s heart, faith (in this case faith in a religion) defies logic. Plus, there are plenty of sites out there that are REALLY hard core anti-Mormon and you problem don’t have time to keep up with them.

    As I stated earlier, being an atheist allows me to discuss the cult/not a cult question with detachment. When I call Mormons a “cult”, it’s not my opinion. It’s the opinion of others who ascribe to a certain set of Christian dogma. But after Falwell U gave Beck the honorary PhD, I guess that’s a pretty clear statement about Xtain fundies, eh?

    The issue of the Church as a PAC will be played out in the courts, not just in Maine, but there are still cases pending in CA, I believe.

    Yes, and if enough people tell the truth, it will become clear that the Mormon leadership took money from its members and laundered it through NOM. Fred Karger believes that the dollars in California amounted to $32 million. From the Mormons, he means.

    It might be interesting to show (as you’ve attempted to) how Glenn’s actions and statements disagree with the official Mormon statements/beliefs. For example, the smoking thing was probably offensive to most Mormons.

    Right, and when I started the “Glenn Beck-Mormon?” page it was my intention to try to shame the Mormons into issuing a clear statement that the Mormon organization does not endorse or support the views of Glenn Beck. However, the more I began to look into this, and inquire into it, the more I realized that the Mormons stand to gain from Glenn Beck. He creates an atmosphere of fear, which makes people susceptible to religious bullshit. (Sorry, couldn’t think of a better term). I got the classic run-around when I tried to get an answer about this from the folks in SLC. This was right before the Conference, too, and Mormon bloggers were urging the President to distance the organization from Beck. They refused to do it, though, and in fact one of the fair-faced lads left me a magazine about the Conference. Interesting stuff.

    Second, More disclosure: I’m an active member of the Mormon Church,(Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints), although I, of course do not in any speak for them.

    I gathered that. I know (now) that one of the things about your group is that each person speaks for themselves. I think that’s a good idea, but it makes people like Glenn Beck a problem, don’t you think?

    With that said, I would be happy to share my experience with the church. Don’t get me wrong, I have no interest in proselyting. Anyone interested in that can head over the http://www.lds.org and get the official word. I’m talking about just general run-of-the-mill questions about Mormon life/theology.

    My contention, and that of those who have “escaped”, is that the official word doesn’t say diddly squat about what happens if you have a change of heart after you join the group. Nothing good, I’d say. (Except freeing your heart and mind from the chains of a very repressive bunch).

    For example, some of the links you reference imply that Mormons hate black people. LOL While I myself am white, I’ve adopted 7 black kids. I certainly don’t hate them. . . well, not often, but then, they’re kids!

    Hate is not the right word. I believe it’s “cursed”. You think that they are cursed by God, or at least some of you do.

    The article you link to also implies that to be a “good” Mormon you have to turn away from your non-Mormon friends. I’m not sure what the life situation for the author was, but my personal experience was different. My two closest friends in the world are non-Mormon. These are men whom I would trust with my life, family and money. (I’m not sure I’d trust many Mormons I know with that last one.)

    OK, when you got married, which one of your best friends got to be your best man? Answer: neither. They’re not allowed inside the temple. Do I have that right?

    Your information on Mormon divorces is also muddled and not entirely accurate. (Based on my experience watching family members get divorced and remarried.)

    I don’t know about Mormon divorces, if that’s on my website I don’t remember putting it there.

    My offer is motivated by the fact that I like your site, but much of the information on the “Mormon” page takes away from the integrity of the rest of the site.

    OK, help me out. I will entertain any reasonable stuff from reasonable persons, like yourself. Can you please address the “heresies” that I have listed in part 2 of the Christian Fundies vs the Mormons article? Remember, since I’m an atheist I don’t put any pejorative value on them more than other points of dogma from any other religion. If you could take them one by one that would be great. Also, if you could help me with the “Glenn Beck Lies” spreadsheet that would be EXTREMELY appreciated.

    If you’d rather have the discussion off-board so you can decide what you want to post, feel free to email me at the email address associated with this post.

    I will try to do that; as you can tell from how long it took me to getting around to this, I don’t have a lot of time/energy to put into this project. Sorry about that. I have accumulated over 30 students and some days I’m so ill I just have to go to bed. My problem, not yours.

    Again, thanks for the blog. It makes me question my beliefs and that’s always a fun exercise.

    Yes, I think it’s very useful. The Mormons I have gotten to know through their missions and also doing business with them are great people. Sometimes a group can be dysfunctional, though, even though everyone in it is individually terrific. I’ve seen that happen, too. To me, when you build a system of dogmatic belief based upon things which are unknowable, this is not only a possible outcome but a likely one. :-)

    - Rodney Bliss

    Peace, Rodney…

    -Wexler

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    24 May 10 at 9:38 am

  14. “Sometimes a group can be dysfunctional, though, even though everyone in it is individually terrific.”

    I’ve been a Mormon all my life, and that is perhaps the most accurate description of Mormonism that I have ever read. I am irked to no end by the LDS Church’s refusal to distance itself from ass-clowns like Beck and Skousen. The good news, I suppose, is that Mormons have a history of eventually bowing to public pressure, at least in the cases of polygamy and giving the priesthood to black men. I would have paid money to listen to your conversation with “Brother Jacob.” Keep up the good work.

    Also, thanks for pointing out the “Mormons embarrassed by Glenn Beck” Facebook group. Brilliant.

    TomNo Gravatar

    5 Jul 10 at 9:01 pm

  15. Thanks for your comment, Tom.

    Qu1n1an and I are trying to improve and update this page with new information as we learn it. We appreciate the feedback from everyone and I would like to get more of it from Mormons on both sides of the Glenn Beck thing.

    For example, Glenn Beck has joined forces with Liberty U. Most of the coverage has been on the topic of how Fundie Christians could rub elbows with the Big Bad Mormons. However, I’ve heard nothing from the other side. How do Mormons feel about Beck’s apparently putting political dogma over religious values?

    Those are 2 areas that I have yet to explore, but I feel installment 3 of my series on Beck & Fundies can’t be far off.

    Thanks again,
    -Wexler

    adminNo Gravatar

    6 Jul 10 at 5:30 am

  16. If you knew more about Mormons and their core beliefs, I think you would not be so quick to equate Glenn Beck’s views with Mormonism. I am a Mormon embarrassed by most of Glenn Beck’s statements. Ignorant demagogues like Beck and Limbaugh are doing tangible harm to American society.

    The Mormon church has recently made an official statement calling for civil, informed, and open-minded discourse, which many Mormons feel was mainly directed at Glenn Beck’s show.

    MarkNo Gravatar

    15 Jul 10 at 7:08 am

  17. Hello, Mark. Please do not take this comment personally, even though it sounds personal.

    I know a lot about Mormons because of Beck.

    And what I’ve learned is not very flattering. Further, your “church” is about to descend on my state to try to overturn our LGBT marriage law.

    Here’s a suggestion for you. If you don’t like gay marriage, DON’T MARRY A GAY PERSON. Meanwhile, you should keep the fuck out of everybody’s lives with your proselytizing, condescending, crap. I’m sure I’m not the first person you’ve heard this from and I know I won’t be the last. The Mormons are trying to turn this nation into a theocratic state, which means to me that there is no qualitative difference between you and the Taliban.

    I can guarantee that your cult’s invasion of my state is going to meet with unexpectedly strong resistance. People around here do not tolerate religious bigots telling them what to do, how to live, and so on.

    -Wexler

    PS I don’t give a crap about what the Mormons say about “civil discourse”. If the Apostles meant Beck they would have called him out by name. The plain fact is that Mormons will say or do anything at any time to wheedle a response out of people. You take advantage of people’s natural tendency to want to get along. I’m not going to fall for it, you can tell your fools at NOM that they are spinning their wheels here. I will make sure that every person in Iowa knows about Prop 8 and Question 1, you can put THAT in the bank.

    adminNo Gravatar

    15 Jul 10 at 9:03 am

  18. Well. Well done Wexler. Mark, let me just say that on the one hand, I’m glad that you don’t like Beck. That’s a start. But on the other hand, you really need to recognize the Mormons for what they are – and Wexler hit it right on the nose. You take away rights, you lie, you spread hypocrisy, you break the law to fund your illegal campaigns, and you excommunicate people from your families because your fruity religion tells you to.

    Nothing personal, Mark. But I really think that you’d be doing YOURSELF a favor by leaving the church. Everyone I’ve heard from has never regretted making that decision.

    Thanks for the comment.

    Qu1n1anNo Gravatar

    15 Jul 10 at 12:32 pm

  19. Christian ministries are sending out warnings against Glenn Beck not being a christian because he is LDS. What kind of bigotry are christians accepting? Here is my reply…

    I recently investigated mormonism and discovered that anti mormon critics use the same kind of dirty tricks and deceptions that liberals do to make it appear that mormons are not in harmony with the Bible. After you cross reference the new testiment there definitely needs to be a church on the earth today with 12 appostles, until we can come to a unity of faith.”1 Corinthians.”

    If the mormon church is false, atleast they follow the same organizational pattern Jesus originally set up, while nobody else even cares or bothers to follow Christs pattern for his original church. Did Christ make a mistake when he said to the 12 they must “become one” to unify the body of christ as one? When did Jesus come back down to earth and tell you to change his church into something else? Is he not the same yesterday, today, and forever?

    Who changed Christs 12 appostle church into popes ,cardinals, and nuns, and later hundreds of rogue ministers who all head up separate businesses called churches today? What would Peter and Paul say if they returned to earth today and saw todays christian churches competing with each other for money? Big churches putting little ones out of business. Deviding christians into fractions and apposing the 12′s leadership?”If you are not one ,your not mine, Christ said.” Do you think Jesus is sitting up in heaven rooting for your church to out do the one down the street like Wallmart competes with Kmart? God forbid!

    Glenn Beck is not preaching the LDS temple nor mormonism, but he is uniting christians into one spirit of freedom and liberty. Many christians are not being decieved when they feel Gods spirit empower them to unite together and save America from socialism. That spirit is moving powerfully when Glenn Beck speeks the truth. Millions feel a mighty heavenly power and are uniting into one purpose because that spirit is now being felt by millions, and it is a thousand times more holy and more powerfull than any minister speeking today. In your critisism of Beck, you may find yourself fighting against Gods will!

    When have we ever heard any man preach like this man and unite the body of Christ as one force until Beck? Even Billy Graham never came close to what Glenn is acheiving. He will likely unite a million or more christians and patriots in Washingtom DC this week. He will unite tens of millions nationwide coming from of all faiths. That uniting force is the real spirit of God, combined with the spirit of truth ,and those of you who try to devide Christ into fractions appose that uniting spirit. shame on you. Paul Gregersen

    paul gregersenNo Gravatar

    27 Aug 10 at 10:16 pm

  20. I’m going to let my partner Wexler respond to most of this, as he’s the resident expert on Mormonism.

    I would like to say a couple of things, however. First of all, how do you think Jesus would feel about the Mormon church practicing racism? Practicing homophobia? Taking people’s rights away? Practicing misogyny, and plural marriage? You can say that Jesus supported whatever, but that makes you just like everyone else – taking Jesus and twisting his words to support your own twisted agenda.

    If you are a Christian, then you should see Beck as a heathen. He’s a Mormon. He’s going to hell, if you’re right about such things.

    Do you know how Glenn Beck unites people? He unites them in hatred and intolerance. He unites them in fear, and ignorance. He lies to people, and makes them band together by telling them that gays and atheists and minorities and (good lord) communists are coming to get them. People need to be united in love and acceptance. That’s what Jesus tried to do. And that’s the very antithesis of Glenn Beck.

    Oh, and for the record – God can go fuck himself. And so can all the people that use their beliefs for intolerance and violence.

    admin(Quinlan)No Gravatar

    27 Aug 10 at 10:43 pm

  21. to paul gregersen

    Your investigation into the Mormon cult apparently didn’t reach very deep into of their dogma, which is based on fraud and heretical to Christians. The fact is, Mormons don’t qualify as a church, they’re a cult.

    I’m rather busy today because of the rally, but here are a few links you MUST read:

    http://www.biblebelievers.com/jmelton/Mormons.html
    http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/mormonism.html
    http://www.ils.unc.edu/~unsworth/mormon/index.html
    http://www.exmormon.org/

    I would strongly suggest that anyone who is attempting to determine what the Mormons are about should read these sources thoroughly. They are dangerous to Americans, and they are duping us (largely) by masquerading as Christians. In fact they are not Christians, they are a political action group that has the goal of replacing the American government with a theocratic Mormon priesthood.

    -Wexler

    admin(Wexler)No Gravatar

    28 Aug 10 at 5:01 am

  22. What ever happened to the tax the churches campaign?
    The “church lobby” to put it bluntly.

    Bryan LeinwandNo Gravatar

    1 Sep 10 at 7:10 am

  23. Bryan… I still have a couple of emails I need to read, and I am going to forward all of them to my web partner Quinlan as I believe he will enjoy them immensely.

    As far as the tax the churches campaign… there is always pressure and always will be on the Mormons to either quit laundering money through phony made-up advocacy groups like NOM. There is a fine documentary on this topic, Prop 8.

    We will keep working on it as much as we can. I am in a LGBT marriage state (Iowa) and I haven’t heard much about anything going on lately. But NOM hasn’t been around, either. I’ll be the first to let you know.

    Cheers,
    Wexler

    admin(Wexler)No Gravatar

    1 Sep 10 at 9:02 pm

  24. Regardless on one’s views of Mormons, my understanding is that Beck explained his conversion as being connected with his wife. Apparently she said that in order to get married and have children and what-not, they had to have a religion. Apparently he settled on Mormonism. Apparently they were having a sale at the time, or perhaps Catholicism was out of stock, I don’t know. Personally I would have went with Islam because I like the idea of causing irrational fear in ignorant people.

    Anyway, his Mormon conversion was not the product of some long “soul-searching” or any of that- he basically wanted this woman in the sack and it was a means to an end.

  25. Hi, Arlian,

    Ah, you should never mix sex and religion, unless you’re a Wicca or Tantric yogi/yoghini. Or perhaps a non-Catholic-priest.

    Actually, there’s a piece of Beck’s conversion story that he leaves out of it. It’s the piece about his new wildly successful career that Gawd started providing him with, oh the abundance, oh the generosity. Im’a on mah knees, ah-thankin’ yah, oh LAWRD! Nope. He got in with a MORMON-owned business. He joined the cult, then they gave him a job. That’s the real side of it.

    If there was a God, she would work in mysterious ways, but none of them would be for or about Glenn Beck.

    ;-/

    Wexler

    admin(Wexler)No Gravatar

    2 Sep 10 at 4:37 am

  26. Technically, the Mormon organization is not a cult. The leaders and many of the members display cult-like behavior. Instead of a single cult leader (like Jim Jones), Mormons are fanatically devoted to the person who holds the office of President. Although not an official statement of Mormon dogma, the irrational thought behind the famous June 1945 message, “When our leaders speak, the thinking has been done,” widely embraced today as it was in years past, is a clear example of cult-like practices.

    David

  27. I would have less problem with the god-talk from Glenn Beck and his ilk if they would please define explicitly which god or gods they want us to follow. Are we supposed to follow the 3-in-1 god of the Catholics (and all that papal infallibility stuff) or the two physical beings and one personage of spirit of the Mormons? What happens to the Jews, the followers of Islam, or people like me who have no particular religious belief?

    The next time you run into Beck, please ask him to explain how the gospel of Jesus Christ was “restored” by an individual with 34 wives, including 14-year-old Helen Kimball and several (about 11) who were married to living men at the time that they were bigamously married to Joseph Smith Jr.

    Beck is a tool. Period. Next topic?

    David

  28. Hi, David,

    Thanks for giving us the update from Utah. I think you ought to get some kind of medal for living there.

    I didn’t really think much about Mormons until the Glenn Beck thing happened. The Mormons were just another bunch of fine people whose public faces are Donny and Marie and the kids in the white shirts who call themselves “elders” and of course, a great choir that no non-Mormon can ever hear perform in their primary venue. So I come to the position of them being a cult from relatively recent scrutiny.

    When I started diving into the internet for information about Mormons, I was struck that one of the first sites I ran into was the top hit (Google) for “mormon cult” which is http://mormoncult.org/. This turns out to be a MORMON-OPERATED website that is a totally intellectually dishonest POS that leads you through a bunch of CRAP and then tells you they are NOT a cult. I thought, “Hmmm. Why do the Mormons need to operate a site like THAT?”

    Well, after some more digging I found out why. There are absolute horror stories of what happens to people who try to leave, or rather escape, the grips of the group. There are Christian websites that slam them for their many heresies. There are Mormon sites apologizing for Glenn Beck (although the Presidency won’t take a stand on it, even after Beck has been playing footsie with the Christians). So then I started looking for a good solid definition of what a cult is.

    Here’s the one I found that makes sense to me. http://www.csj.org/infoserv_cult101/checklis.htm If you go through this checklist, I think that pretty much describes the group, would you agree?

    Thanks for the post, I’m going to look at your other one.

    -Wexler

    admin(Wexler)No Gravatar

    3 Sep 10 at 3:30 pm

  29. You and Quinn would probably get along famously.

    I cannot agree more with your post. Thanks for posting to us.

    Best,
    Wexler

    admin(Wexler)No Gravatar

    3 Sep 10 at 3:33 pm

  30. ROFL

    Paul Gregersen’s comment could not be more wrong about Glenn Beck.

    Here in Utardia—The Pretty Hate State (a.k.a. Utah), many of Beck’s fellow Mormons think Beck is the exact opposite of that a “good Mormon” ought to be. Please check out the reader comments on the Salt Lake Tribute web site http://www.sltrib.com associated with articles or letters mentioning Beck.

    Many of us who are not Mormon think Beck is a tool. . . but I said that already. LOL

    Beck reminds me of a the late Senator Joseph R. McCarthy with overtones of the late Tammy Faye Bakker (Messner) who could turn on the water works whenever she and Jim needed another solid gold toilet (or whatever—LOL).

    The PR office of the Mormon organization constantly reminds members and non-members alike to approach differences of opinion with mutual respect and civility. Beck’s fear-mongering lies and hate-spew are inconsistent with the counsel from LDS leaders.

    David

  31. >> Here’s the one I found that makes sense to me. http://www.csj.org/infoserv_cult101/checklis.htm If you go through this checklist, I think that pretty much describes the group, would you agree?

    The LDS organization and members get a solid “yes” in many categories; a “yes but. . .” in several; and a couple “not so much.”

    (Nice list. Thanks.)

    Other scholars see cult-like behavior more like shades of gray.

    We could discuss the checklist point by point, but I would rather focus on “Beck is a tool.” LOL

    Personally, I do not give a flying primate flatus what people believe—so long as they do not hurt other people. Having said that, I also hold Grand Wizards of the Ku Klux Klan in higher esteem than the Leaders of the LDS organization. Most Klan members will tell you straight up that they are racists. LDS leaders instructed LDS members to donate MILLIONS of dollars and uncounted hours of volunteer time to support a political campaign of deliberate fear-mongering LIES, while preaching their usual excrement about loving thy neighbor. Members of the Klan may be vile, disgusting racists, but at least most of them are not vile, disgusting hypocrites.

    David

  32. David,

    You’re welcome for the link. I went back to the place on the site where I posted that link about the cult thing and I found a typo, so thanks again. What I intended to say after the list was that they matched all but a couple of them. (I still haven’t fixed the typo but will try to remember to do it tomorrow). I don’t remember which ones I was thinking they DIDN’T match, but what’s a couple of cult sub-characteristics amongst friends? I think I like the word because it’s easier for most Christian fundies to grasp than the discussion we’re having right here.

    But I agree with what you’ve said/are saying/will say (if I were precognitive or believed in it). The Mormons do themselves no good by hanging in with Beck. I tried, as much as I could without springing for a plane ticket and trying to see “Mr. President”, to get them to get the f*ck away from that dingleberry but they insist on hanging in there with them. Methink$ they know$ who$e putting $upper on the table, if you catch my drift.

    I haven’t continued with my series on Beck VS the Xtian Fundies. I stopped a while back after the article in which I put in the link we’re talking about. I am sort of glad I did, because things haven’t turned out at all as where I was taking the articles. In fact, I was running along quite nicely when Beck went to Liberty U to do the Commencement address… I felt like a dog chasing a nice fat slow mailman and then ran out of chain. Holy shit. Mormons doing stuff at Liberty U??? That threw in the monkey wrench.

    So after collecting my thoughts from that Bizarro World eventus giganticus, and watching Beck stain the National Mall with his fake pious bullshit and made-up facts, I have decided that indeed what we see here is a ginomous event. It’s epic. It’s tectonic. The Christian right and the Mormons have torn open their shirts like Superman and there’s a friggin’ DOLLAR SIGN where the “S” ought to be. Money has brazenly and openly trumped religious dogma.

    Some may argue that it’s not really about money, it’s about politics. To those who say that, I say “Come closer, grasshopper, the equation is MONEY == POLITICS.” I am now suitably inspired to begin part III of the series and feel confident that I, along with anyone else who is paying attention, has figured this puppy out.

    I have to get off of this box for the evening, but I thank you for your entertaining, factual, semi-strident but understandably so, post. Please return to post some more at your next earliest convenience.

    -Wexler

    admin(Wexler)No Gravatar

    3 Sep 10 at 8:50 pm

  33. Someone please explain why Beck gets to question/denounce the President’s christianity. . .

    And the Christian Reicht. . . opps. . . make that Christian Right get to toss bricks a Mitt Romney’s Mormonism. . .

    But the teabaggers and their ilk accept Beck as the greatest thing since sliced bread?

    Makes no sense whatsoever.

  34. LOL Christian Reicht… I’ll have to use it some time.

    admin(Quinlan)No Gravatar

    4 Sep 10 at 12:12 am

  35. It’s overwhelmingly ironic I found this page while looking to join a Facebook group called “Glenn Beck does not represent my beliefs as a Mormon”. Just because you read some stuff on the internet doesn’t mean you’re an expert on Mormons. I can find plenty of sites on the web telling me dinosaurs are a trick of the Devil and the Earth is only 10,000 years old. Come on.

    JTNo Gravatar

    8 Sep 10 at 5:09 pm

  36. JT…

    I approve of your disapproval of Glenn Beck. People from all walks of life and different denominations of religion are finally finding that his vision of the world and religion in government is not what America stands for. I am putting thoughts together for a post on the backlash of 8-28 for the fall midterms. I think that moderates and independents felt revulsion at the idea of a Mormon taking the national stage and attempting to pull the slight-of-hand to pass Mormons off as a mainstream Christian faith AND tell other Christians how to run their religious and political lives.

    Every once in a while we have someone come along who takes issue with our characterization of the Mormons. I would invite you to argue your points of contention, but I have found that arguing religion with Mormons is pointless. You’re hopelessly embedded with dogma that is so fantastic that it defies reason. When cornered with facts you change the subject, argue over minutia, or spout dogma. I’ve seen it time and time again.

    So instead of offering you a confrontation, I am going to offer you a hand up. If you need to escape your homophobic, racist, repressive cult, there are people who can help. If you write to me at wexler@glennbeckreport.com I will put you in contact with them.

    Thanks for your comment, thanks for not supporting Glenn Beck, and good luck.

    admin(Wexler)No Gravatar

    9 Sep 10 at 4:28 am

  37. Wow, you want to know something funny, if you surf extreme religious right blogs you get the same type of rhetoric. What the hell is wrong with you guys? The Mormon church ignores Glenn Beck for the same reason I’d hope everyone would: the less attention he gets the sooner he will go away.
    Religion is always taken out of context and by grouping all Mormons into a “cult” you’re spreading the exact same brand of ignorance this site is supposedly is trying to prevent. Glenn Beck isn’t any more ignorant or persuasive because he is a Mormon.
    Also, when is everyone going to move beyond using generalizations about one’s religion as a valid critique on an individual.

    Harry Reid is also a Mormon. Why don’t we bash him? or wait… could Mormons be a diverse group of individuals that simply share a common Religion? No, they’re all brainwashed cultists…

    GregNo Gravatar

    26 Oct 10 at 1:50 pm

  38. I think you just might be a Mormon, too.

    I know you don’t like it, but you own it. If you need help escaping the cult, please let us know, I have a few friends who specialize in that.

    Good luck.

    PS Any comparison you make to a right wing religious blog is so bogus that it could only come from a Mormon. That’s how I knew, in case you are wondering.

    admin(Wexler)No Gravatar

    26 Oct 10 at 2:35 pm

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