Either that or he’s developed some kind of applet that scans websites, takes chunks of comments, and makes insults about them.

Anybody who can’t afford a turkey tomorrow, you can always come here and read Mr. Misanthrope.

“Really? He specifically said all? He said every single one? Wait, let me check… He said… ‘Some of these people, I bet you’d be ashamed to call them Americans.’ Oh wait! He said SOME!”

Well in that tiny bit of dialogue that you pulled from the whole, he sure did. Good job. If you actually choose to be responsible and honest, and take things in context however, he gave advice to the entire group, which was this: “Go out and get a job. You may not want the job. Work at McDonald’s. Work two jobs. There has been plenty of times in my life I’ve done jobs I hated, but I had no choice. Two years is plenty of time to have lived off your neighbor’s wallet.”

So there you are, caught taking things out of context.

“Where did beck claim there was a socialist party?”

Well, he’d be a fool not to. But wait! He is, never mind. Just from the top of my head, I can think of the P&F and the SPUSA. So just like that, down you go. And besides, are you saying he never called Democrats socialists? I don’t think those actual words came out of him verbatim, but it’s about taking his (explicit) suggestions and interpreting them. Such as, off the top of my head, lumping socialists in with democrats and progressives. I can all but guarantee you that Beck sees the majority of vocal democrats as socialists.

“Unions are by definition socialist.”

Well, no, not exactly. Perhaps in some respects. The foundation takes advantage of some socialist principles, but members and philosophies of assorted unions could be socialist, conservative, hell, Maoist. My dog might be a shedder, but I can’t call all dogs shedders by definition.

“Do you have any documentation of any sort Fox News is looking to hire “liars”? No, you don’t, so that statement is a blatant and obvious lie. It’s also dishonest to claim Beck has no sponsors.”

I must answer your question with another question: have you ever heard of “hyperbole”? Seriously, now. In terms of the ads, that’s all it was. His advertisers just keep dropping off, and he has substantially fewer. It’s equivalent to me losing nine fingers and jesting that I don’t have any fingers left.

In terms of “hiring liars”? No, of course there’s no documentation. What kind of smartass question is that? Yet still, we can see that whether Fox is explicitly seeking liars or not, that’s who they keep hiring. By deductive reasoning, it’s clear that that’s the kind of folk that they like, and thus look to hire again. It’s quite simple.

“There are tons of groups for “progressive Republicans”. Simply asserting “Republicans are not Progressives” demonstrates you’re completely divorced from reality.”

I don’t deny that there are groups that call themselves progressive Republicans. I also don’t deny that these people are idiots, but that’s beside the point. Republicans are progressive in the same way that Democrats are Marxist. There are some in there, sure, but that doesn’t mean that conforms to the principles of the party. So I wouldn’t call Democrats Marxists, and I wouldn’t call Republicans progressives. Doubly so because Republicans keep trying to pass things that are directly contradictory to progressive ethics.

“So, Glenn is a liar because he showed a story that initially was put out about “Obama Truth Squads”? Someone else’s mistake is his fault?”

Any person that doesn’t check their facts is inherently irresponsible, and often, as in this case, a liar as well.

“It’s the left that wants to censor speech.”

You say it like it’s a bad thing. I don’t think it’s okay for anybody to say anything violent against another, or to bully children, etcetera. And it’s a mark of a disturbed group if people think that this stuff is not only okay, but should be protected by law.

“Undisputably, those words and beliefs that she DID say are racist.”

No, they were taken out of context. That’s what people like you and Beck do.

“Working with them so hard that he makes a point to blame everything on them and insult them in every single speech. I don’t care what you’re working on, if you tell your boss that all you failings are your partner’s fault, your partner isn’t going to want to work with you. Every time Obama flaps his gums about something being the fault of the GOP punctures giant gaping holes in any claim of bipartisanship.”

See, the problem is that my partner has made no secrets about hating me and trying to slow down our project. I’m being a great partner by trying to work with them a bit, but for every inch I give them they try to take a mile. And I know I’ve tried to do the right thing, but I also have to be honest, and that’s why I say the screwed up parts are not so much MY project so much as theirs.

“You can say it was taken out of context, sure, but it’s either completely dishonest, or completely ignorant to go as far as you just did and actually claim she never said them.”

We’re not saying we didn’t say the words, we’re saying she didn’t say (imply) the meaning behind that little clip. It was taken out of context and taken as racism. It’s like you taking a quote of mine that says “I hate black people” and calling that racist. But what I actually said was “I hate black people, white people, Latinos, I hate anybody that wants do discriminate against others for absolutely no reason.” We can’t deny I said those words, but we also cant’ deny that you took them out of context.

“You attribute to the Tea Party the picture of Obama shopped to look like the Joker.”

Oops! You fail again, we never did that. Reread the quote that you posted yourself. We claim that they carry them around, we never say they created it. Besides, there are more than one, and to call us liars by you thinking of a single image and putting words into our mouth is completely dishonest.

And by the way, how can you possibly both an atheist and a Glenn Beck fan? He uses god as an excuse for everything. He blames godlessness for America’s problems. Hear that? Glenn Beck says you’re to blame for all the problems in America.

By the way, I see you made another comment. You screwed it up profoundly in a number of ways, but most prominently by making some kind of pyramidical formatting error. So fix that, and while you’re at it, take out the hypocrisy as well by deleting your baseless insults and opinions. Kay?

So, tell you what. You come back, and point out ONE blatant lie that we have made. And, in the post in which you do so, don’t make any yourself. You call us out on insults, insulting us the whole time. You say that we shouldn’t be using opinions, forming the majority of your comments with opinion. So please, come back with something hypocrisy free. Goodbye, and have a GOPeriffic day.

-Quinlan

Just from what’s on the front page, let’s go over the following, and note there simply isn’t enough space to point out every single line in every single post, and I can’t quote every single line of text, and I’m just going over some of the more obvious, indisputable falsehoods you’ve spewed in each article. To begin:

[quote]Glenn rants that all the participants at the 99er rally in New York are lazy bums who should just take whatever job they can get,[/quote]

Really? He specifically said all? He said every single one? Wait, let me check… He said… “Some of these people, I bet you’d be ashamed to call them Americans.”Oh wait! He said SOME!

Right there, very first line of the argument, you’ve outright lied. He said “some”.

[quote]Sometimes the unions have sided with the GOP, sometimes with the Dems, but they have never sided with the “socialists” because there is no such party in the US. Get it? There’s nothing to side WITH. [/quote]

Now see, that’s blatantly dishonest, and an obvious strawman fallacy. Where did beck claim there was a socialist party? Oh wait, he didn’t? You were talking out of your ass AGAIN? Someone can be a Democrat and a Socialist. Someone can even claim to be a Republican and a Socialist. The obvious falsehood of your claim is that you’re working on the assumption that “Democrat” and “Socialist” are mutually exclusive terms, which -and we keep coming back to this- indicates you’re either an idiot or a liar. Not every Democrat is a socialist, certainly, but I could provide numerous examples of famous left-wing people promoting socialism. Actors, politicians, pundits, all left-wing and claiming socialism is “the only moral choice” tell me, do you think socialism is bad?

Beyond that, in conception the Unions are by definition Socialist. Socialism is defined as taking the power and ownership away from the owner, and putting it into the hands of the worker. That’s exactly what unions do. They put more power in the hands of the worker. That’s the whole point of a union. When they first sprung up, this was a wonderful thing, but now their only real purpose is keeping people employed who should have been fired.

[quote]But blabbermouth liars like you are in demand over to the Fox News Channel so you’ll have a job until Murdoch decides he’s sick of running your no-sponsor show out of his own pocket.[/quote]

Again, you substantiate this with nothing. Do you have any documentation of any sort Fox News is looking to hire “liars”? No, you don’t, so that statement is a blatant and obvious lie. It’s also dishonest to claim Beck has no sponsors. You could claim certain sponsors have pulled ads due to harassment from sites like your own, but you know if he had zero sponsors he wouldn’t be on the air. He has one of the highest rated shows on the highest rated cable news network in the country, so you know a statement like “no-sponsor” is blatantly dishonest.

[quote]The problem here is that Glenn is lying. Herbert Hoover was not a Progressive, he was a Republican. Republicans are not Progressives, no matter what Glenn says nor how many times he repeats it.[/quote]

Meghan McCain’s most famous soundbite is “I am a progressive Republican” Full interview’s here: http://hotair.com/archives/2009/03/24/meghan-mccain-i-am-a-progressive-republican/ You can’t deny their existence. http://progressiverepublican.ning.com/ etc. There are tons of groups for “progressive Republicans”. Simply asserting “Republicans are not Progressives” demonstrates you’re completely divorced from reality. The facts don’t agree with you, and no insult, no screeching and labels will ever change that FACTS have proven you overwhelmingly wrong, wrong, wrong.

[quote]So, Glenn, you’re busted again. You take a false report from 2008 and use it to “prove” that Obama and “progressives” are trying to take away your free speech.[/quote]

So, Glenn is a liar because he showed a story that initially was put out about “Obama Truth Squads”? Someone else’s mistake is his fault?

Another important thing here, Glenn said “One thing” in other words, there are other ways the left tries to prohibit free speech. Like Nancy Pelosi attempting to instate the Fairness Doctrine, or Tipper Gore creating the Parental Advisory Board. It’s Obama who has proposed censorship of the internet. Time and again it’s the left that wants to censor speech.

[quote]By the way, Glenn Beck was still calling Shirley Sherrod a racist and accusing her of wanting to re-distribute wealth (both of those charges lies)[/quote]

First off, where in that article does he mention wealth redistribution? Oh right, HE DOESN’T. Second, he specifically says she “learned her lesson”. Saying she didn’t help him as well as she could on the basis of him being white? That is racist. Saying she sent him to “his own kind”? That is racist. If Glenn had made those statements about a black person, you’d be swearing up and down it was proof he was a hateful bigot. Undisputably, those words and beliefs that she DID say are racist. Glenn points out she overcame her racist attitude, and changed it. When she said and did it, they were still racist beliefs.

[quote]what could have been strong legislation on health care reform, Wall Street reform, and energy policy have been watered down or abandoned because of Obama’s penchant for working with the GOP[/quote]

Working with them so hard that he makes a point to blame everything on them and insult them in every single speech. I don’t care what you’re working on, if you tell your boss that all you failings are your partner’s fault, your partner isn’t going to want to work with you. Every time Obama flaps his gums about something being the fault of the GOP punctures giant gaping holes in any claim of bipartisanship.

[quote]Obama fired Shirley Sherrod for fear of main street reaction to something she never even said.[/quote]

And here we are again, are you flat out lying about this, or are you so ignorant you’ve never even watched the very clip you’re talking about? She DID say those words. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GNArUTCo0Q&feature=related

You can say it was taken out of context, sure, but it’s either completely dishonest, or completely ignorant to go as far as you just did and actually claim she never said them. She did say those words, that is a fact, and you are blatantly and overwhelmingly WRONG. As always.

[quote]So when a lunatic fringe group of religious wakkos staples teabags onto their hats, runs around with guns strapped on their hips, and wags the flag, pocket Consitutions, and pictures of Obama photoshopped to be Hitler or The Joker, I don’t want him speaking for you. You’re CRACKPOTS.[/quote]

You attribute to the Tea Party the picture of Obama shopped to look like the Joker. The hilarious thing here is, again you’re demonstrating you can’t be fucked to do even the level of research of a fucking google search before you shoot your stupid mouth off. The image in question was not created by Tea Party members, it was created by a moderate Muslim artist on Flickr. He’s not even a Republican. He actually supported Kucinich in the election: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2009/08/obama-joker-artist.html So, as usual, you’re a fucking idiot.

Once in a while we run into someone like you who tries to ape Beck by attempting to steal the argument by repetitious assertion that you’ve won. You have not won anything, except a couple of satisfying tongue lashings and another hash mark towards your inevitable trip to the recycle bin.

The issue here is whether you can prove that any thing on this website is untrue or inaccurate. You have not proven that, not at all. In fact, during your non-proof you expose the argumentative style that wows the Becktards and TeaBaggers but it doesn’t do much of anything for those of us who can reason.

Let’s start from the beginning of your posts and I will explain why you have failed to prove that there is one inaccuracy on this website.

First assertion: “LOL is not an argument”. Yeah, I know it’s not an argument. But since I never said or implied that it’s an argument, you have raised a straw man and that is just the beginning of your intellectual dishonesty.

Second assertion:

Starting at the top you assert that Glenn Beck was lying by asserting that the Tea Party is not racist. Essentially you declare this to be a lie with individual examples that you essentially demand be applied to the whole.

Your second assertion is not proof of anything except that by now you are desperate to win something and will scrape the bottom of the barrel to do it. Your bad, though, because you get busted for intellectual dishonesty again. That’s because your second assertion contains a lie of omission, and a damn obvious one to anyone who knows how to use the search tool on the site. What I actually wrote was this:

Week of 7/19/10

7/19/10 – Glenn says the Tea Party is not racist, the NAACP is – Apparently Glenn missed the email from Tea Party Express founder Mark Williams. Did we forget about the Obama monkey signs at the TeaBagger marches? Oh, that’s right, those were “infiltrators”…. white liberals disguised as haters. LOL

Can you see the difference between what you say we said and what we actually said? You deliberately left out the part about Beck’s comparison to the NAACP, which was the topic of the post. Ooops. You fucked up.

I think you might be a Mormon because you love weasel words. Glenn Beck is famous for his racism. It even predates his membership in the Mormon cult. If you want information about that, it’s there so pick up a book now and then, OK? You might want to bone up a bit on the beliefs of two of Beck’s cultural heroes, Cleon Skousen and Ezra Taft Benson. Then you might want to look for some of the racist things he’s said on the airwaves. This point is ancillary to my assertion that Glenn Beck lied when he said the TeaBaggers are not racist. He’s not in a position to make that statement, he’s disqualified due to his own racism. If he’s not qualified to say somebody isn’t racist, he’s also not qualified to say someone is. So for white Mormon curse-of-Cainer Beck to claim that the NAACP, a human rights group with national and international cred is racist, it’s absurd. And you just tried to leave that out of the argument. Liar.

You then went on to attempt to prove your liars version of what we asserted about Beck’s statement vis a vis the TeaBaggers and the NAACP by posting

Two problems with that. First off, did you know the Democratic party created the KKK? I know, revisionist history “THEY WERE TOTALLY DIFFERENT BACK THEN!” Right, except the last sitting member of the KKK in Congress was Robert Byrd, a Democrat. So, using your logic that one person is sufficient to label an entire group, I guess all Liberals are racist?

Your statements regarding the Klan, the Democrats, and Byrd are a cheap attempt to steal the argument by pointing out things that are factually true but also outdated. The GOP is the party of white men. The Klan was started by Democrats who became Dixiecrats and are today’s southern GOP. Robert Byrd recanted his racism as “the biggest mistake of his life” and spent the last 40 odd years trying to rectify that mistake. So why are you bringing this up? Intellectual dishonesty. Do you believe it or are you hoping people who don’t know any better will?

Third assertion:

“BUT BUT, THERE WAS SOME SIGNS! I SAW ‘EM ON THE INTERNET!” Yeah, did you see Jon Stewart’s Restoring Sanity rally? I’m sure you didn’t notice on account of you being incomparably biased, but that rally was filled with unbelievably hateful, bigoted, and racist signs. Hundreds upon hundreds of them, often held by children. Again, following your twisted logic, is every Jon Stewart fan thus a hateful bigot because a few people carried hateful signs?

This is one of the goofy logical constructs made popular by radio gasbag Limbaugh and Dick(less) Cheney. You try to direct the flow of the argument by constructing the other side of it yourself. I never said anything remotely similar to the words you clumsily attempted to stuff into my mouth. Further, you can’t prove that there were racist signs at the Jon Stewart Rally for Sanity. You should have attended that, BTW.

Fourth assertion: (paraphrasing) Penn Jillette says that if a group is racist it calls itself racist. So since the TeaBaggers claim to be not racist then they are not racist.

You are going to have a terrible time with this one. The TeaBaggers are 79% non-Hispanic white, 6% black, and some “other”. The group identifies itself with guns, God, and gays, and racial discrimination… against THEM. Since you brought up the signage, TeaBagger events have been characterized by outrageous signs that show deep hatred for blacks, gays, and other minorities. It’s impossible to prove that every TeaBagger is a racist but their leadership has made blatantly racist statements, their membership has articulated racist points of view at rallies, and the makeup of the group is almost all white.

Failed comic Penn Jillette is just plain wrong on this point. I’m surprised that anyone who is an American adult would contend that if a group is racist they come out and say so. Racism mostly went underground after the civil rights movement because it became illegal. However, the notion that America is not scarred by deep racial divides because the only racist groups out there any more are ones saying they are… well, that’s just bullshit from Penn. I’m not surprised that you would ascribe to it, Misanthrope.

Fifth assertion:

So essentially what you establish as lies, you frame in an overtly biased, and extremely childish way -like calling them Teabaggers, and ending with LOL- and then expect your inherently incorrect opinion to be taken as a scathing rebuke that proves him wrong.

No, what I frame as lies are taken from the words of Glenn Beck. I call the TeaBaggers that name because that’s what they named themselves. When I type in “LOL” it’s because everyone on the internet knows what it means and what it means is that I laughed out loud. You still haven’t given a specific example of anything that I’ve used to debunk a Beck lie as either simply my opinion OR “inherently incorrect”.

Sixth assertion:

Black people tend to be the group most opposed to gay marriage for instance, statistically. The same people who voted in Obama voted out Gay Marriage. In fact, just recently the UN voted that it is no longer a crime to murder homosexuals: http://news.pinkpaper.com/NewsStory/4319/18/11/2010/countries-vote-to-accept-execution-of-gays.aspx

That was primarily due to the votes of all the African countries, Iran, and China. So, once again following your flawed, idiotic, childish and blatantly absurd and mentally retarded “logic” all black people, Chinese, and everyone in the UN supports the murder of homosexuals.

I don’t know where you got your assertion about black people opposing homosexuality. I’m sure you have a source, don’t you, but citing sources is not your long suit. You do, however, have it wrong about who voted in Obama and voted out Gay Marriage. Obama was voted in by a highly motivated coalition of people of all races who beat McCain/Palin by 10 million votes. Conservative Xtian whites wielding an estimated $40 million in NOM money passed Prop 8 in California and Question 1 in Maine. In Iowa, a state with a 91% white population, NOM was at it again to punish the 3 Iowa Supreme Court justices who supported the Constitutional and human right to choose your spouse. Now it is unclear what will happen to gay marriage in Iowa, but nonetheless you are once more proven to be blowing smoke out of your ass.

You can’t even keep your own straw man arguments straight. You drifted off into some goofy, non-related issue (UN vote on removing protection of gays from execution) to “prove” that I think that all blacks hate gays. Wow. Phucktardosis is a terrible disease.

Your closing comments are attempting to steal by ad populum, which is what you accused me of earlier (falsely). I’ve seen the poll you cite, and if it makes you sleep better at night then that’s good for you. However, other polls suggest differently, for example the one conducted nationally on November 3. According to your poll, there shouldn’t have been any liberals elected, right? You poor little sock monkey.

I think I’ve had about enough of this shit from you. You are no fun as an insulter, because you fail miserably even in your lame attempts to be rude. Your facts are either made up, factoids, irrelevant, outdated, or disjointed. I suspect your mental process is seriously flawed when you try to “zing” us by calling us nutjobs and then claim to have beat us at our own game.

I will wait to see Quinn’s response; as far as I’m concerned you are done posting here unless you can actually post some content. Babbling makes horrible copy and it’s a waste of time trying to decode yours when there’s so much Beck babbling to decode.

Have a great phukkin’ day, LOL

-Wexler

Congratulations coming back and admitting complete and utter defeat, and a complete lack of anything intelligent to shoot back with. Instead of anything even remotely resembling an argument, you vomited every insult your tiny might could shit out.

You started with an ad hominem, followed up with three or four more of the same, and then moved on to appeal to popularity fallacies. Black people tend to be the group most opposed to gay marriage for instance, statistically. The same people who voted in Obama voted out Gay Marriage. In fact, just recently the UN voted that it is no longer a crime to murder homosexuals: http://news.pinkpaper.com/NewsStory/4319/18/11/2010/countries-vote-to-accept-execution-of-gays.aspx

That was primarily due to the votes of all the African countries, Iran, and China. So, once again following your flawed, idiotic, childish and blatantly absurd and mentally retarded “logic” all black people, Chinese, and everyone in the UN supports the murder of homosexuals.

Do you understand how your crass insults are utterly worthless and have only proven I fucking beat you, and proved you were wrong about calling the Tea Party (note how in your worthless rant you couldn’t even stammer out one single line about it?) Do you comprehend how intellectually vacant your fallacy-laden arguments are? How with every word you undercut your movement, and demonstrate why 42% of the country identifies as Conservative while only a measly 17% of the country identifies as Liberal according to the most recent Gallop poll? You’re the fringe, you’re a fucking nutjob, and I just beat you at your own game.

Now call me whatever you like. Prove me right AGAIN by failing to address a single word of my argument you god-damned mental midget. Demonstrate the complete and utter ignorance of the left by shooting your stupid mouth off again. Make me laugh. That’s all you’re good for, frankly.

Now if I may make a suggestion to Mr. High and Fukkin’ Mighty Misanthrope, it’s this: I’m in no seething rage at you. I pity you, and if Quinn and I are such “lone nuts”, why are you still incapable of pointing out one FACTUAL ERROR on this website? Is it because you lack the nuts upstairs or downstairs?

If you truly believe that the Democrats (today’s Democrats) are affiliated with racism and the Klan, then it should be easy to prove, shouldn’t it? For example, how did the black vote go in the last two elections? How many members of the Black Caucus are GOPERs? How many black men show up at your Klan meetings? (reminder: don’t forget to pick up your sheets & hood at the kleeners).

My poor Mr. Misanthrope. You must just be bedeviled by our little site, and I am so sorry to inconvenience you with the truth, but I have to admit that to see you come back here again to have facts crammed in your rectum gives me some sort of personal satisfaction. Hmmm. I’m wondering if I should get myself checked for The Gay.

LMFAOAY (Laughing My FUCKING Ass Off At You)

-Wexler