Glenn Beck Lies
Last update: 7/30/10
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The Lie of the Day will be updated more or less daily and, of course, debunked on the spot. The Lie of the Week will be the biggest whopper from the week; this is going to be tough to pick so we may need your help. On my other site, www.stopdubya.com, I started a feature called “Outrage of the Week” which was very popular. I had people write in and vote for their favorite outrage. Maybe we can come up with a voting system to make it easy for you. On July 30 2010 I started a new archive system by quarters. Click here or the links at the right for archived lies and the Lie of the Week.
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LIE OF THE DAY
Week of 7/26/10
7/26/10 – from July 25… Glenn puts up trailer on his website plugging new “Insider Extreme” presentation; asserts that Obama is “completely out of touch” with “mainstream, middle America, Christian America,” who should “stand up, and say, “You do not speak for us” Let’s get a couple of things straight. First, if you are looking for evidence that Obama is trying to work with “mainstream America” it abounds. Legislative fiascoes have come one after the other; what could have been strong legislation on health care reform, Wall Street reform, and energy policy have been watered down or abandoned because of Obama’s penchant for working with the GOP. Obama fired Shirley Sherrod for fear of main street reaction to something she never even said. Second, the President doesn’t speak for you and is not accountable to individuals or groups outside of his oath of office.
I know a lot of Americans think that their government is like a MacDonalds where they can snap their fingers and get more fries. But the fact is that the President doesn’t speak for individuals, he speaks for ALL OF US. So when a lunatic fringe group of religious wakkos staples teabags onto their hats, runs around with guns strapped on their hips, and wags the flag, pocket Consitutions, and pictures of Obama photoshopped to be Hitler or The Joker, I don’t want him speaking for you. You’re CRACKPOTS.
As a side note, Beck points out in this trailer that he is concerned that 70 million Americans voted for “Change” and did we know what we were voting for? Yes, we did, Glenn, your fringey collection of misinformed malcontents lost by 10 million votes. So it would be convenient if you could stop referring to your 99.9% white bread, middle class audience as “mainstream” which ignores 34% of our racial/ethnicity makeup and 40% of our poor people. Shut up. You don’t represent a majority of anything, except possibly spoiled middle class brats that want to freeload off the system without paying taxes.
7/27/10 – from 1/7/08 and 6/4/08. On 1/7/08, Glenn teases us with “No matter how hard the health care system tries to keep you down, I’m back”, and that he’s going to talk about his “personal voyage through the nightmare that is our health care system”, and then continues “We seem to be now, Regina, ah, ah, ah, society or a system on health care, that is just trying to shove patients out that door.” And of course “Getting well in this country can almost kill you”.
Then on 6/4/08, a mere 6 months later, Glenn says “America already has the best health care in the world, we do take care of our sick” and just previously on 5/12/08 said “You’re about to lose the best health care system in the world.”
Glenn, I hate to break this news to you, but you are not allowed to have both sides of the argument. We either have a health care system that is a nightmare and kills people and keeps them down or we have the best health care system in the world. We can’t have it both ways.
The Commonwealth Fund just released a new report on US health care delivery ranking compared to 6 other industrialized nations. Naturally, we’re LAST.
Maybe one of those people who you were trying to club over the head with a shovel (scroll down to March 9, 2001) got to YOU first, Glenn.
7/28/10- from 7/27/10 Glenn promulgates and amplifies the lie told by Chris Wallace on Fox News Sunday when Chris told Howard Dean “the video had never played on the Fox News Channel before the White House fired [Sherrod] it was on Andrew Breitbart, biggovernment.com, we’re not responsible for them, I agree with you that it was out of context but it wasn’t on Fox News.”
The claim “it wasn’t on Fox News” is the lie. On July 19th, BEFORE Sherrod resigned, Fox ran a story with a still shot from the Brietbart video under the headline “Video Shows USDA Official Saying She Didn’t Give ‘Full Force’ Of Help to White Farmer”. You’re BUSTED, Glenn. You and Chris Wallace, too…
Getting caught with their pants down AGAIN... this time lying about their own news coverage
By the way, Glenn Beck was still calling Shirley Sherrod a racist and accusing her of wanting to re-distribute wealth (both of those charges lies) on his July 21 program, the same day he claims to be defending Sherrod. Oh, so you’re defending a socialist racist, Glenn? Puh-LEEEZE.
7/29/10- from 11/1/09 Glenn claims that the government is trying to end free speech in the media. “One way this administration and its helpers are doing it is by systematically stripping away free speech. Yes. The President and other Progressives profess to be saviors of our First Amendment rights; they love free speech. But when you pull back the curtain, like what we’re about to literally do in a few moments on this program, you will see that free speech is being eradicated for controlled speech.”
Glenn then plays a video clip of a news story that has been fully debunked about so-called “Obama Truth Squads” in Missouri in September 2008 (before Obama had any Presidential power, BTW), who were comprised of “Missouri law enforcement” whose mission it was to “target anyone who lies or runs a misleading television ad”. “Prosecutors and Sheriffs across Missouri are joining something called the ‘Obama Truth Squad’” proclaims one reporter.
But Glenn doesn’t tell you the rest of the story, which is that the reporter who broke the story clarified it to the newspaper the next day.
“If they think a group has put out a misleading ad, they’re basically going to call a press conference and say the ad is misleading,” reporter John Mills told the News-Leader on Sunday. “I’m sure the Republicans would do the same thing.”
In his TV report, Mills said the prosecutors “also say that they plan to respond immediately to any ads and statements that might violate violate Missouri ethics laws.”
The truth: some prosecutors joined a campaign effort to identify ads that might violate Missouri’s campaign ethics laws. They were NOT acting in an official capacity. Nor were any Sheriffs. Nor were they working for a single candidate.(LOL)
So, Glenn, you’re busted again. You take a false report from 2008 and use it to “prove” that Obama and “progressives” are trying to take away your free speech. Ask yourself a question, Glenn. Why are you still on the air? Why are you still allowed to smear and slander people, call them NAZIs, Marxists, and murderers and claim that the current US government is trying to destroy the country? If Obama was trying to limit free speech, wouldn’t you be gone?
7/30/10 from a treasure trove of Beck madness Beck “proves” that Obama is a “socialist” on a special page of his website. The first piece of evidence offered up is that Barack Obama’s father was a communist.
Whoa. I am not going to take the time today to debunk that statement, which is clearly a lie, (the link Glenn gives that “proves” this is to a paper written in 1965 called “Problems facing our Socialism”. How laughable and pathetic and ignorant is that? The only thing this proves is that Glenn Beck has absolutely no inkling about what was happening in post-colonial Africa. But this is another subject.
So here’s the debunk. Even if the stuff about Obama’s father being a socialist or communist were true (which he is not), this clearly does not mean that his son is a socialist or communist (which he is not). He’s a different person, Glenn. The plain fact is that Barack Obama is not the same person as his father, just as Glenn is not the same person as HIS father. His father is a hardworking, honest guy who, to my knowledge, never snorted coke off the steering wheel of a DeLorean while careening down the road with the wing doors open at 90 mph. So I guess the son didn’t turn out like the father, did he, Glenn? To cast aspersions on someone because of what their parents did is unfair. But Beck does this in reverse all the time; he uses his mother’s suicide as an excuse for his decades of alcoholism and hard drug use. Too bad he didn’t turn out more like his dad.
Enough said.
7/31/10 from the same cracked link above for 7/30. Glenn says that Obama is a socialist because his mother went to Indonesia. (No, I’m not kidding). This is so effing absurd as to be bordering on the hysterical. The reason why Dr. Ann Dunham went to Indonesia was to do research in her field of anthropology. She was specifically interested in microbanking and blacksmithing. She authored a book about blacksmithing in Indonesia called Peasant blacksmithing in Indonesia : surviving and thriving against all odds. How sinister can you get?
There are several other assertions made on that same link that are supposed to somehow prove that Obama is a socialist. Most of them are this ridiculous or even more so. In these two examples Beck treats socialism like it’s some kind of genetic disease that’s passed from parent to child. But even THAT is based on lies about Obama’s parents. Why would anyone let garbage that is so transparently false stay up on his website?
It’s because as P.T. Barnum never said (this was actually said by one of his competitors and is often mistakenly attributed to Barnum), “There’s a sucker born every minute.”
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5/24/10
Some people have posted that they don’t see any lies on this page, only opinions. If you haven’t actually read through the 20 pages in the Scribd Excel spreadsheet below, please save yourself the embarrassment by reading the spreadsheet carefully before you make that assertion.
If you can’t figure out how to operate the controls, please post to me or write wexler@glennbeckreport.com for instructions.
Glenn Beck’s War on “Progressives”
On 7/12, Glenn and Stu(ge) got wind of a bombing attack on the wife of a minor oil company exec, Vennie Wolf. Beck said that of course it would have to be “Progressives” who did it, in fact the title of the segment is
Progressives MO — intimidate & scare
I think it’s time for the progressive community to stop playing footsie with this jerkoff and start letting him get what he deserves. If you see Beck being covered in media OUTSIDE of Faux or other right wing nut job sites like Drudge, please email me a link:
I will get in touch with the manager if possible and find out WTF they are doing feeding Beck’s chump operation with factoids to hang falsehoods upon. “Oh, I read about it in the Dallas Gazzoo. They’re a very highly respected newspaper blab blab blab.” You get the idea… we can work towards putting a stop to it and as Americans who care about truth we should.
7/14/10
I updated the spreadsheet today; I apologize for still not doing the spreadsheet updates more frequently but I have been busy with students and clients and need to keep with it for the short term. However, since Senator Robert Byrd died, there’s been a meat grinder of lies coming out of Glenn Beck so I want to just assure you that he’s lying when he says:
“I’m not here to judge him”
“Let this complete the record of Sen. Byrd.”
“… we will reclaim the civil rights moment. We will take that movement because we were the people that did it in the first place”
… or any comparison he makes to Dr. Martin Luther King, the origin and players in the civil rights movement, the “rights” being taken away by “the government” and many other topics along the civil rights track.
6/23/10
If you are not aware of the threat that OathKeepers, a crackhead self-proclaimed ‘protector’ of our Constitution, poses to America, you need to get educated. I will be putting up a page for secret radical militant groups. In the meantime you should take a moment and use these resources…
http://motherjones.com/politics/2010/03/oath-keepers
http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/oath-keepers-potentially-most-lethal
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/06/reid-opponent-embraces-patriot-group-that-warns-of-giant-concentration-camps.php
These people must be ferreted out and removed from police and military duties. They represent about 1% of active military and police forces, so the 99 of you in your group of 100 know what to do.
7/14/2010
I have debunked this WHOPPER from a rant Glenn had on January 9.2008 that started out about John Edwards (no, not his sex scandal, that wasn’t out yet). John Edwards was giving his stump speech in which he stated that the middle class is disappearing. This is a provable fact, a fact supported by census data that shows the median income in the US declining. I am working up an organized set of data to show this (census site is slow, must be jammed with TeaBaggers trying to throw a wrench into the system). Glenn goes into a rage about “Sally Muckenfutch, little girl with the finger for an eye that can’t pick her own nose.” (Nobody could ever convince me that Glenn beck is NOT an asshole after that remark).
Then Glen drops this A-bomb of lies:
But the percentage in the lower class — now, this is where it gets weird. This is where you would have to pay attention and not be giving a stump speech some place. The percentage in the lower class over the last 30 years remains unchanged. So in other words, there’s the same number of poor people in America that there was 30 years ago but how is the middle class disappearing? Well, the percentage of people making over $100,000 a year has doubled from 12% to 24%. That means the entire decline of middle class is constituted of people moving up into the upper class, not down to the lower class.
So, it’s simple, see? The reason why the middle class is going away is because we’re all getting RICH! LOL I found this one by accident, and will have complete data showing what a PUTZ can do with a microphone shortly.
4/8/10
Glenn Beck is walking the line. He is encouraging sedition. He is challenging the legitimacy of the US Government. He is inciting violence.
This is a place he should have never gone. I am working on a new page, Glenn Beck – Domestic Terrorist and will post it as soon as it’s ready.
3/24/10
Now that health care reform is signed into law, the filthy, destructive, outright lies that Glenn Beck has been pushing to scare people into running like a spooked herd of animals will begin to implode. Some of these lies will be debunked immediately and some will just take a little time to be proven out.
So… here’s a list of my favorites that you can look forward to see blow back right into Beck’s dumbfounded-looking face.
*** Health care reform is a socialist plot to take over the government
*** Health care reform is a government takeover of the health care system
*** Health care reform is government control over 1/6 of the nation’s economy
*** Health care reform will kill your children, your grandparents, and/or you
*** Health care reform will use taxpayer dollars to fund abortions
*** Health care reform will cause doctors to quit their practice
*** Health care reform will cause people to stop wanting to become doctors
*** Health care reform will cause small businesses to fail, close, or stop offering health insurance to their employees
*** Health care reform will cause rationing of health care
*** Health care reform is reparations for slavery
*** Health care reform will cause Republicans to lose their health care
*** Health care reform will destroy the existing Medicare system (which should be destroyed anyway)
I’m sure you can come up with more. Discuss.
11/16/09 Apture is working GREAT as a way to easily use an Excel spreadsheet in a web page. I would highly recommend it! The documentation is a hard to navigate but once you get started it’s very quick and easy. I may use it to link to some other content; I’m starting to see more of this on the web.
JUST A REMINDER….
This page needs A LOT of work, and YOU CAN HELP. If you know of a Glenn Beck lie that’s not already debunked here, or have an assertion he made that you want fact-checked, please let me know! You can use the comments or if you prefer, email them to me. wexler@glennbeckreport.com
You should put the Glenn Beck crying videos on here =P
p0t
27 Oct 09 at 7:57 am
Ha ha your a tool and your attempt to discredit anyone is futile.
wanksta
27 Oct 09 at 8:27 am
Look, wanker, I hate to be disagreeable but I have to say that I actually am discrediting Beck already.
If you examine the small collection of lies I’ve accumulated to date it’s quite obvious that I’ve established a few things. First, Glenn Beck is delusional or is portraying someone who is delusional. His conspiracy theories don’t stand to the slightest examination, as they are full of logical leaps, stunning outright lies, and John Bircher dogma. Second, Glenn Beck is a phony. Look at his Vapo-Rub crying. Look at his phony Mormonism, which is disgusting to real Mormons unless they share his Cleon Skousen crapology.
I guess anyone who would post “your a tool” is too vapidly mind-numbed to even understand a word of this post, so I’m posting this to others who follow this site.
You can have your own opinions (“your a tool”) but you can’t have your own facts (“attempt to discredit anyone is futile”). No, it’s not futile, it actually exists, the discredit is real, and it’s being propagated through our culture.
If only basic English could be propagated through your thick skull.
admin
27 Oct 09 at 8:55 am
Wanksta, 2003 called and 50 Cent wants his song title back.
p0t
27 Oct 09 at 9:12 am
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27 Oct 09 at 7:01 pm
You obviously fail to do your homework though i doubt this reply will stay up long… Wilson and the FDR era was the firsts to coin the term Czar not the media being lazy see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czar_(political_term) which is exactly what the position still is today – someone apointed not elected into power Obama isn’t doing anything that Bush wasn’t doing he is simply doing it faster – I never knew the hope and change you left wing nut jobs were hoping for was bush on steroids.
“Glenn Beck claims that Van Jones is a Communist Black Nationalist” – Van Jones in his own words explained that he has come to the realization that as a more effective means an end use less extreme actions aka the green movement to push his extreme fundamentals. thats not a GB quote its Van Jones himself…
Honestly, I admire what you are trying to do here I’d just suggest instead of generic slandering try to fight specific facts with facts Example – Beck pointed out Anita Dunn’s Mao reference to which she responded she was “just kidding” so to disprove the ‘just a joke’ theory he dug up another Anita Dunn quote to make it quite clear she was being serious. All I see here is some misguided info on czars and a few beck quotes that have no furhter thought (though i guess you are saying it should stand out for itself?) likewise Anita’s “just kidding” response was a laughable defense to her first Mao love reference… beck pulling up more ammo was just the final nails in the coffin – the same approach he used on Van Jones
Derrick
27 Oct 09 at 10:17 pm
Who coined the term “czar” is not relevant to the argument of what it actually means, but since you want to go there I will entertain your distraction for a moment. The government is filled with appointed officials who serve at the pleasure of the President. This is a political fact that has resulted in criminals being placed into very high positions. Who started it or who coined it has no effect whatsoever on what it is. Consider Bernie Kerik for example, who was Guilianni’s Chief of Police and could have been appointed “Homeland Security Czar” if it weren’t for the crimes that came out during his congressional approval process. Now it’s true that this is a cabinet position so congress had oversight. But nonetheless, it was a purely political appointment, such as putting Mike Brown as “FEMA Czar”, or Undersecretary of Emergency Preparedness and Response. You see, the fact that RWNJ like yourself don’t “get” is that “czar” is a reference to socialism that doesn’t last long in full daylight. There is no socialism connection for the usage of the term, and if you even had a couple of firing synapses you would know that the “Czar” of Russia was not a socialist at all. The Czars were imperialist royalty, you silly little boy. So you see, you’re peeing your diapers all about something that doesn’t even exist, except as the delusion held forward by monkey children like yourself who can’t hold up their end of a political discussion with a crutch.
Glenn Beck quote on Van Jones from his 9/9/09 radio show:
Beck CLEARLY calls Jones a communist black nationalist. He’s talking about Gibbs’ statement on Jones’ resignation. Now as I have updated EARLIER today, Jones was a member of STORM, which dissolved in 2002. He released a book in 2008 which contains clearly capitalist ideas. So please spare yourself from trying to look like an authority on some topic and then just coming off like a chump.
You seem to be laboring under the misconception that Beck nailed Anita Dunn. Please RE-READ the material on my website regarding this misconception. Dunn was interim WH Communications Director and was scheduled to leave at the end of this year BEFORE the truth was let out about Faux News. Beck had nothing to do with it.
I agree with you that some of the Obama Administration members have been sloppy in what they’ve said. However, that doesn’t make them Maoists. You pointing it out doesn’t make you brilliant, either. It just makes you someone who is paying attention, which is why I will leave your comment up. I admire people who pay attention, and you are welcome to comment here, even though I will probably disagree with you about your conclusions. Especially if they are about anything having to do with my research methods. Shit, I have a life outside this website, I have things I HAVE to do. If I believe something is substantiated, it gets put up. I don’t have time to parse words, that’s for a few WONKs that end up in cadres.
If you would like to HELP me with this project, I can use all the help I can get. Email me your thoughts at wexler@glennbeckreport.com or continue to post.
admin
28 Oct 09 at 7:37 am
To me it seems as though the title is not the problem to begin with. I don’t care if you call them czars, or secial envoys’ or whatever you want. The issue lies with the President surrounding himself with radicals. he said during his campain that if you want to know about him look at those he surrounds himself with. We are seeing them. Not a pretty thing. Before name calling how about we exercize the skill of active listening not just hearing. There is a difference and if you cannot figure out what meakes listening and hearing different, I feel sorry for you.
JeremyPRrep
28 Oct 09 at 8:51 am
I agree with you 100% that the title isn’t the problem. The reason why it made it onto my website is that Glenn Beck has made it a problem by phony scaremongering. Glenn Beck has tried to conjure up phantoms of socialism from the term “czar” because it’s associated with Russia. What Beck does not tell you is that a “czar” was anything BUT socialist. Czars had imperial power and that authoritarian, imperialist rule is RIGHT WING, not socialist.
Now we go on to disagreements. You say that Obama has surrounded himself with radicals. I say that’s a lie. Presidents get to appoint people to positions of power, and they have real titles and real job descriptions. I laugh when Beck or anyone calls Obama’s appointees “radicals”. Look, even Van Jones, who was a member of STORM, a commie front group, wasn’t “radical” by the time Obama appointed him. People can change their politics. Beck has made a lot of noise about Anita Dunn and Ron Bloom being “Maoists” because they mentioned Mao in a speech. WTF? Does that make you a Maoist, to say that Mao got something right once in a while? How close-minded do you get?
This brings me to your last topic, hearing/listening. As a proud socialist I can tell you that your side does a pretty bad job of hearing/comprehending. You, as a group, are very poor critical thinkers who take the most asinine mumbo-jumbo from people like Beck and Limbaugh and think you are being “educated” about government and politics. Puh-LEEESE. Get a book, sit down, read something once in a while. Glenn Beck is a high school graduate dry drunk shock jock who joined up with the Mormons so he could network with their money machine. He’s a uninformed as you can get. He has guests on his show who are total cranks, wankers, and shills for corporate interests. So please, please, PLEASE try to develop some critical listening skills.
By the way, the reason why I don’t defend Obama as a general rule on this website is that I didn’t vote for him. So if you make anti-Obama comments I really don’t care, as long as I think they have merit. Saying that he’s surrounding himself with radicals doesn’t have merit. I know radicals, and I’m not seeing them in government.
Thanks for your comment, Jeremy.
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28 Oct 09 at 10:02 am
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29 Oct 09 at 8:00 am
Actually Derrick your own link states it was the New York Times in 1926 that first used the term Czar. Nowhere in your link does it say where and who used the term Czar for Baruch.
Bob Ross
23 Nov 09 at 3:20 pm
What is truly mindless about Beck and what I presume must be his low IQ undereducated listeners is that Czar does not refer to a communist or a socialist. A Czar is was a monarch.
This may seem like a small point but it is not. it indicates that the people making arguments against Czars? in government (who have no legislative power)are fools.
I have also heard the Glenn Beck crowd, ignorant as they are, make a connection between Czar and Caesar.
So, we are dealing with people who are sentimental, superstitious, and stupid.
Stonry Curtis
10 Jan 10 at 2:03 am
I would feel sorry for some of them, as some are so ignorant, but they’re so damned nasty that it’s hard. Also, all I have to do is think about what’s gone on in this nation for the last 30 years, and the last 8 in particular, to snap myself out of it.
We’re in a mess, and the selective amnesia of how we got here is truly astounding. A lot of them are getting their backs up about Big Government and Big Brother stuff, I want to know where the hell were they when the Bush Administration took away habeas corpus, the 4th Amendment, pissed on their duty to obey any law, either Constitutional or code? Where were these Constitution-wagging idiots when Bush called it “just a piece of paper”? Where?
If you want to find out first hand, you should get yourself an account over at the 9.12 Project website and start asking them. I can’t tell if Glenn Beck has any direct control over the site; however, it is his “project” and the site operator is cherry-picking news that makes Obama and Democrats look bad. Not that there isn’t some validity to it; I am no great fan of Obama, but our system isn’t a monarchy and we have become hugely over-focused on the Presidency. We ought to be working to curtail the Executive Branch overreach, but we have to clean up Congress, too.
I think some of the people at 9.12 are serious-minded folks who have run out of places to turn. I can’t blame them for that; I used to think that all we had to do was elect enough Democrats and everything would be fine. WTF was I thinking? The Dems are just a kinder, gentler brand of corruption. So I understand everyone’s frustration, and I understand how Beck’s over-simplification of complex problems appeals to those who are in fear and are too busy or too stupid to pay attention. So to those people at 9.12, I say this: try to do some critical examination of what Beck is actually saying. Write down the facts he asserts and check them. Try to understand how he makes huge leaps of logic and reaches conclusions that are 100% bogus. Watch his guest list carefully; see how many of them have peer respect and you’ll find that he has lined up (largely) a bunch of lying crackpots.
Well, thanks for your post, SC.
admin
10 Jan 10 at 9:56 am
admin….you are wasting your time and energy.
Everything you have listed here as “lies” some believe are difference in “opinion” I say it is truth!
LMAO=at you!
Joan
29 Jan 10 at 6:27 pm
Really, Joan, you are a pathetic person. You honestly don’t know the difference between a = and a @ sign, do you?
What kind of a moron do you have to be to create the post you just laid like a rotting turd on my doorstep? The kind of moron that says “Neener neener neener”, that’s what kind.
You fail to rebut any one of the lies that I have PROVEN Beck told. That’s PROVEN, not IN MY OPINION. All you can say is that you believe them.
That makes you not only a subject for ridicule, but also a Becktard.
I can’t keep up with Beck’s lies so I haven’t updated this in a while, but when I do, I’m sure it will double in size from last November. That means you will be twice as much of a fukkin’ idiot than you are already. You’re just a bundle of joy, Joan, I’ll bet your mom would be really proud if she knew she popped out one of the lowest life forms on the planet. Is your father even human?
-Wexler
admin
30 Jan 10 at 3:13 pm
This is lame. Even if these were not marginal on the truth-o-meter, there are so few listed as to be laughable. Beck is on every day with that many ops for failure. Is this all you can produce?
Lamo.
Donkeyhotay
1 Feb 10 at 11:54 am
Actually, I haven’t had time to update the site since Thanksgiving due to none of your fucking business.
But I will tell you that each one of those lies are debunked with facts, and if you don’t believe it you are living in an alternate universe.
What’s really “Lamo” is your term “Lamo”. Are you trying to speak fake Spanish or something?
Never mind, why don’t you just snuggle back in with your Mormon fuck Glenn Beck, who, despite your existence, still maintains the crown of King of Fools. But keep trying, he’s going down sooner than you could ever imagine… stay tuned. I’ve heard things that will blow your mind. (In your case, small blow).
admin
1 Feb 10 at 7:52 pm
I was referred to this site by a friend. He made a comment about Glenn Beck being a liar among other things, which I have heard many people say. I have also heard many people speak in support of Glenn Beck. So over the past couple of days (not long enough to form an opinion) I have been researching him, his political views, reading sites against him and sites in favor of him, watching episodes of his show etc. Although I do have my own ideas about this particular issue (communist czars etc), I am going to refrain from posting them on your site, as it seems that anyone who doesn’t share your opinions gets blown-off and called an mindless idiot and such. I think its great what you are doing, however. I strongly believe that more people ( whatever they believe and whomever they support) should try to post facts etc. defending them, and attempt to inform the rest of society. We cannot rely on the media, nor most websites, to tell us the truth. Its all about comparisons and taking into consideration what people with opposing viewpoints have to say. A couple of these people did though deserve to be flamed, their comments were just plain insults. One final comment, @Stonry Curtis: “I have also heard the Glenn Beck crowd, ignorant as they are, make a connection between Czar and Caesar.” …the word Czar (or Tzar) is derived from the name Caesar, as was the word Kaiser (German) as well as the Norse king, Kjárr.
Jinx W
16 Feb 10 at 12:13 pm
Yikes! Bully for you for being able to watch his shows! I can barely stand to watch the clips.
Look, I’m sorry you feel that way about posting something contrary to what you think I might like. The people who I’ve flamed here wrote things to me that they deserved to be flamed for. I’m not inclined to just beat people over the head.
I haven’t been writing on this site much due to poor health. I have been meaning to write my next article in the series on Glenn Beck’s battle for the soul of the TeaBaggers. If you have spent much time looking around on my little poorly-maintained corner of the internet, you may have gathered that I have little patience for blatant exaggeration, selective quoting and memory loss, character assassination by innuendo, and outright lies. Those are just a few of the things you will find packed into every 15 minutes of every Glenn Beck show.
Some people like to be lied to for entertainment. I guess if someone keeps telling you that your fucked-up fantasy world is the real world, on some level it becomes real, or more real, at least for you. That would describe the typical Beckerhead fucktard. If a giant vacuum cleaner came out of outer space and sucked up Glenn Beck and all his fans, it would be a net gain for America and the world.
Thanks for your comment, I promise I will not flame you, at least not very much.
Wexler
admin
16 Feb 10 at 5:46 pm
You seem to have a real hearty hatred for Glenn Beck. I watch his show from time to time and he has repeatedly stated that you should not take his word on any of it but rather, do your own research. I don’t take anybody’s word for it these days so I have looked into many of his statements. Looking at yours as well and it appears that you have simply given your opinion on many of the “Debunkings” I noticed that you are a self avowed socialist (see your own statement above) I don’t expect too many socialists to agree with Glenn Beck on anything. I do however expect that the constitution is upheld as it was originally written. It is not up for “reinterpretation” as many would suggest. If you were to actually watch a couple of Glenn Beck episodes, You too would hear him say repeatedly “Check it out for yourself – Do your own research”
Rob
26 Feb 10 at 12:49 pm
Actually, it’s difficult to watch an ass-clown with his head exploding day after day whose primary purpose in life is to make money by spreading outright lies, crackpot conspiracy theories, and innuendo. You know, stuff like Obama is going to arm AmeriCorps with a budget bigger than the Pentagon budget and use them as his private secret police force. Or that OnStar is a government plot to spy on you. Or that Van Jones is a Black Nationalist who spent time in prison. You know, those kind of lies.
I already do my research, I don’t need Glenn Beck telling me to do it. If anything, he should stop CLAIMING he does all of his own research because he’s a liar. Nobody there bothers to do any research that’s not directly related to information that could be construed to smear Obama or somebody in his administration. Beck has misstated so many facts on his show that I can’t keep up with him. I usually do a fact check on his lies about once a month and update my spreadsheet. What’s really funny, though, is when he adopts his professorial posture with the glasses, the chalkboard, and the pile of big books he claims to have read. He must have been high on coke when he read them, because I’ve never heard anything that he’s said that didn’t come out of a Cleon Skousen book. If you don’t know who Cleon Skousen is, you should really look it up.
I hope that your straw man argument that “many people” would suggest that the “Constitution is open to reinterpretation” is not supposed to convey any meaning, because it doesn’t mean anything. Seriously, how can you make a statement like that with a straight face? There have been hundreds, or even thousands, of well-researched scholarly books on what the Constitution means. There have been dozens of Supreme Court decisions about what it means. So if you’re one of those people who runs around waving a Constitution and claiming that you know what’s in it, maybe you ought to do a bit of research on your own.
Glenn Beck is an opportunist. He is cashing in on the fear and racism that runs long, wide and deep through the middle of America. I truly hope that if you are one of his followers you can figure that out.
admin
26 Feb 10 at 2:49 pm
Susan, you should seek some help because you can’t hold up your end of the argument with a crutch. You keep changing the subject.
You are the person who made this personal when you told me that my language made me seem less intelligent. Remember?
If not, just look back a couple of posts.
You failed.
You failed to prove that Van Jones is a radical.
You failed to prove that William Ayers is a radical. You also failed to show that there is any connection between Ayers and Obama that would even be called casual.
You failed to answer my replies about Reverend Wright, other than to parrot back one phrase from one sermon he gave.
In shourt, FAIL.
Nobody gives a rat’s ass what you watch, read, or, by now, I would assume, “think”. You’ve proven yourself to be a functional illiterate, in that you cannot follow the stream of a discussion in text. You also cannot help yourself from turning the argument away from the facts and into a stream of personal attacks and innuendo. Do you work for Faux News, by any chance?
Glenn Beck is a serial liar and your characterizations of what he says as “exaggerations” is bullshit. You cannot possibly be a critical thinker and come to the conclusion that Beck is remotely connected with reality. Which of these things is not like the other? Hitler, Mussolini, Pol Pot, Progressives. Did you get “Progressives”? Probably not if you are a Glenn Beckerhead, which you appear to be.
Did you get my goat? Hmmm, let me think about that for a minute. BZZZZT. Another FAIL, Susan. All you have done is managed to make yourself look like an idiot. You said I don’t respect points of view from people who listen to his show. Not exactly, Susan. I don’t respect points of view from people who can’t think critically enough to know that GOP talking points repeated every day by Glenn Beck are not only not true, they’re LUDICROUS.
The left is angry, that’s one thing you picked up on. We’re not just “angry liberals” that can be lumped into a group. Some of us are outraged by the assault on human decency, the Constitution, and the common American citizen presided over by the man you undoubtedly voted for twice. This country is in the midst of a number of crises brought on by decades of center-right and right-wing abuses on the population. If you look outside your window and see people in the street carrying guns, are they going to be liberals or TeaBaggers? Hah! Gotcha! Liberals believe in the processes that have been presented to us, we believe that there needs to be a sea change in our government, but we don’t believe that it’s going to be done through revolution. I have never met any liberal in the last 50 years who has suggested that we need to get into the streets with guns. So where did you pull up that factoid?
Well, you pulled it out from between your generous buttocks, Susan. Again you FAIL, because you project your disinformation over the discussion like Union Carbide in Bhopal. You’re a failure, not only because you’re wrong, but because you’re ignorant. For example, you cite NPR as something you listen to because most people of your right-wingnut bias think that it’s “liberal”. NPR hasn’t been liberal since the middle of Clinton’s first term when Newt Gingrich’s Congress threatened to pull the plug on CPB funding unless they turned right. Of course, you wouldn’t know that because you don’t pay attention, so you just keep spewing that you listen to NPR like it’s some kind of ameliorating explanation as to why you’re not a complete righty asshole. FAIL.
I think I’ve about had it with your bullshit, Susan. I’m tired of having to sift through a shit stew of your babbling personal attacks and lies. In fact, I think liberals are really tired of right wing bullshit in general. We’re tired of 24/7 right wing lie machines funded by an Australian immigrant opportunistic pirate. We’re tired of the greatest weatlh redistribution orchestrated by a government in the history of the world which has pushed 50 per cent of the nation’s wealth up to the top 1% of obscenely wealthy individuals. We’re tired of wars that don’t need to be fought. We’re tired of the GOP trying to use wedge issues to get people to vote against their own best interests. We’re tired of simplistic, moronic, seemingly endless repetition of inaccurate and dangerous lies by people like you.
You’ve got one more failure coming.
You’re banned from this site.
admin
1 Mar 10 at 6:07 am
It’s not the interpretive lies that are telling. It’s the out and out lies that give are the true measure of of one’s integrity. Two examples-Beck stated that he saw Barbara Walters and, I think Whoopee, getting special treatment in seating on the train in New York, which is not allowed.The idiot must have forgotten that he was slated to be on “The View” a week later.The “girls’ damn near had him crying after he admitted he was cordial to Mrs. Walters and was just sensationalizing. He admitted there was no truth to what he reported on his radio show.The next day he then repeated his lie. No interpretation here, he admitted on National TV he made the whole thing up.That is the nth degree of loss of integrity.An aside-Neal Cavuto during a tea party rally in Atlanta was filmed by an independant station asking his assistant how many people were estimated to be at the rally. He was told-about 5000 ( the expected amount). He immediately stood up, and on Fox News, said that there were at least 2 to 3 times that number there. This is simply epgregious lying without apology on straight “news”. How can anyone trust them?
Jim Moore
7 Mar 10 at 10:26 am
The outright lies that Beck spews like a Tommy gun are the ones that I find puzzling. I think he has adopted the hubris of the GOP, namely, that people who listen to him are too stupid to know fact from fiction.
Rush Limbaugh has been making a living in the lying business for years. Beck and Limbaugh are cut from the same cloth; they both demonize liberals, they both keep pushing the GOP to the right, they both lie incessantly, and they both spin up wild conspiracy theories that can’t possibly be true and then they just ignore them when proven false or they don’t happen. It’s show biz, the worst perversion of opinion journalism I’ve ever seen. And I lived during Dr. Carl McIntyre’s and listened to his radio show.
In my opinion, the fix to all of this lying and smearing is to reinstate the Fairness Doctrine. I would like to see a version where anyone who is attacked by some media personality would have the legal right to have equal time to defend themselves at no cost to them. I believe this would be great entertainment and it would keep these gum-flapping bastards honest.
Thanks for the comment.
-Wexler
admin
7 Mar 10 at 3:27 pm
Thanks for all you do! The once or twice I was awestruck enough to watch Glenn Beck, I came to the conclusion that he actually believes what he said. To you paranoid tea-bagger types, no I am not a socialist, I believe in the right to keep and bear arms, I am pro-life (although I include access to health care in that view) and have worked for the last 34 years of my life supporting myself and my family. Not everybody who believes those things are whack-job tea baggers, nor are those of us who are able to identify Glenn Beck as a blow hard fear monger socialists.
My father in law claims that 70% of car dealers forced to close were Republican. I argued that the significance of that statistic can only be validated or disproved if we know how many car dealers were republican and how many democrat prior to the dealership closings. This just sounds like a Glenn Beck theory, and they are riveted to the False News Network. Do you have any information here?
Cheryl
13 Mar 10 at 12:21 am
Love the blog! We occasionally Beck watch just so we can see the chalkboards…and to watch him cry! It is hilariously funny and does remind me of those evangelists like Swaggert! I do wonder why people think he is so fabulous; he is a moron! He reminds me of those idiots at AA that are only there because they have to go for court reasons…they cry and say how they are going to quit drinking, but are the first ones out the door to go to $1 draft night! I wonder sometimes if he has fallen off the wagon again or has found crack!
PB
8 Apr 10 at 6:08 pm
You asked for suggestions and I just wanted to suggest Fact Check.org and Politifact. You probably already read these, but thought I’d suggest just in case. Fact Check.org debunks a lot of the political misinformation that is rampant in the news….of course, some of the more obscure crazy crap Beck spews will not be found there as it is to insane to even know where to start.
Kjh
8 Apr 10 at 7:26 pm
was only seeing this one page of lies
go to http://www.snopes.com and search glenn beck they have multiple lies listed their.
ariveria
24 Apr 10 at 9:55 am
Thank you for the hint, I will take you up on it.
The Excel spreadsheet is 4 or 5 pages, I think… you can scroll. Just letting you know in case you didn’t see that.
admin
24 Apr 10 at 1:17 pm
Glenn Beck – Good Guy???
I’ve noticed, via his FOX TV Show, Glenn Beck seems, at least as likely as not, concerned with the current state of America and it’s most recent adaptation of Plato’s treatise – ‘The Republic’ (circa 380 B.C.E., based on Socratic dialogue). Beck traverses what seem to be great lengths in order to inform us, while vigilantly questioning the status quo. However – “Such questioning as has been called ‘vital scepticism’ (a line of questioning necessary to the continuation of life – that being as we know it in this case – the American Republic) is but a device to avoid true questioning, and therefore [becomes] its very antithesis, [i.e.,] the ‘devil’ disguised as an ‘angel’ of light. [e.g., It's] a matter of words—words—words. You may write x for y in your equations, so long as you consistently write y for x. They [the real issues] remain unchanged—and unsolved. Is not all our [Beck's] ‘knowledge’ an example of this fallacy of writing one unknown for another, and then crowing [about it] like Peter’s cock? I picture the true sceptic as a man eager and alert, his deep eyes glittering like sharp swords, his hands tense with effort as he asks, ‘What does it [all] matter [or mean] (I’ve not heard Beck ask, nor, let alone, attempt to answer this question)?’ Under the whip of the clown God, our performing donkeys [i.e.,] the philosophers and men of science [today's media pundits], run round and round in the ring; they have amusing tricks; they are cleverly trained; but they get nowhere. Huxley pointed out the complex nature of this proposition, and that it was an enthyme (based on a three-part deductive argument) with the premiss ‘Omnes sunt, qui’ – ‘Cogitant Suppressed’ (resulting in a state, assumed by the inflicted target [us], of thoughtlessness or inconsideration of the complete position).” – Extrapolated excerpts from ‘The Soldier and the Hunchback’, March, 1909.
1. Glenn Beck’s true function in this case is to splinter the Tea Party movement, by leading potential new-comers away from it’s original focus, which is to abolish the Federal Reserve and thus the Internal Revenue Service. He talks about everything under the sun except the real issue, which keeps our intent away from solving the one true problem with our system – The Federal Reserve (a Privately-owned Corporation)!! If you will notice, Beck never utters one word about what the FED has done to this Country, nor the real Tea Party movement to dismantle this terrible blood-sucking pyramid scheme. Via his extemporaneous banter, Beck has successfully employed the oldest trick in the book – ”Divide and Conquer”. It’s no wonder his handlers at FOX were willing to sign his $50 million deal – he’s very good at doing what he does. These same vampires, who own the FED, have controlling interest in every major media corporation on earth, thereby wielding supreme power over the hearts and minds of the people – with Glenn Beck being a key player in the U.S.A. Since Beck likes referencing our founding fathers, lets see what Benjamin Franklin had to say about the real reason for fighting the American Revolution – From the autobiography of Ben Franklin, as reported by Gertrude Coogan, in ‘Money Creators’: “…the inability of the colonists to get the power to issue their own money permanently out of the hands of George III and the international bankers was the PRIME reason for the Revolutionary War.” Here’s Ben Franklin answering a question about the booming economy of the young colonies: “That is simple. In the colonies we issue our own money. It is called Colonial Scrip. We issue it in proper proportions to the demands of trade and industry.” (Colonial Scrip had no debt or interest attached) BANK OF AMERICA, i.e., international bankers, saw that non-debt and interest-free scrip would keep America free of their influence, so by 1781, banker-backed Alexander Hamilton succeeded in starting the Bank of America. After a few years of “bank money”, the prosperity of “Colonial Scrip” was gone.
2. Benjamin Franklin said, “Conditions were so reversed that the era of prosperity had ended and a depression set in to such an extent that the streets of the Colonies were filled with the unemployed!” Bank money was like our FED money. It had debt and interest attached. U.S. history has shown that currency with debt and interest attached creates depression. By 1790, Hamilton and his bankers had created a privately owned central bank, converting ”Colonial Scrip” (debt and interest-free) into interest bearing bonds, payable to the bankers. When Hamilton’s bank charter expired in 1811, the international bankers started the war of 1812. By 1816, another privately-owned U.S. bank was started with $35 million in assets – only $7 million of which was owned by the government. This bank lasted for 20 years. ANDREW JACKSON – A GREAT PRESIDENT! When the 1816 charter expired in 1836, Andrew Jackson vetoed its renewal. It was then that he made two famous statements: “The Bank is trying to kill me – but I will kill it!” Later he said: “If the American people only understood the rank injustice of our money and banking system – there would be a revolution before morning…” ABRAHAM LINCOLN – ANOTHER GREAT PRESIDENT! President Lincoln needed money to finance the Civil War, and the international bankers offered him loans at 24 – 36% interest. Lincoln balked at their demands, because he didn’t want to plunge the nation into such a huge debt. Lincoln approached Congress about passing a law to authorize the printing of U.S. Treasury Notes. Lincoln said “We gave the people of this Republic the greatest blessing they ever had – their own paper money to pay their debts…” Lincoln printed over 400 million in “Greenbacks” (debt and interest-free), and paid the soldiers, U.S. government employees, and bought war supplies. The international bankers didn’t like that. They wanted Lincoln to borrow the money from them, so that the American people would owe them tremendous interest on the loan. Lincoln’s solution made this seem ridiculous.
3. Shortly after Lincoln’s death, the government revoked the Greenback law, which ended Lincoln’s debt-free, interest-free money. A new national banking act was enacted, and all money became interest bearing again. The late Thomas A. Edison explained the matter of issuing currency this way: “If our nation can issue a dollar bond (interest bearing), it can issue a dollar bill (interest-free). The element that makes the bond good makes a bill good also. The difference between the bond and the bill is that the bond lets money brokers collect twice the amount of the bond and an additional 20 percent, whereas the currency pays nobody but those who contribute directly in some useful way.” “It is absurd to say that our country can issue $30 million in bonds and not $30 million in currency. Both are promises to pay, but one promise fattens the usurers (interest collectors) and the other helps the people.” The FED is owned largely by foreign bankers who control Congress, the media, and our economy, through the power of monetary profits which they have generated via artificial debt. If we can convert U.S. Dollars, that are debt and interest-free, into debt and interest bearing currency, we can change it back just as easily. Both the media and the banking system will probably claim that such a change will cause hyper-inflation. The answer, however, can be found in history. Lincoln printed debt and interest-free Greenbacks (cash) to finance an entire war. With added production, you can add currency without having hyper-inflation. Lincoln proved it! JOHN F. KENNEDY – A PRESIDENT WITH VISION! On June 4th, 1963, President Kennedy issued Executive Order 11110. This Executive Order called for the issuance of new currency – the United States Note. At the time, $4,292,893 of this currency was put into circulation. This new currency was to be distributed through the U.S. Treasury and not the Federal Reserve System. Furthermore, it was to be issued debt and interest-free. Upon Kennedy’s assassination, this currency was withdrawn from circulation, never to be issued again.
4. The media remained silent on how Kennedy would have eliminated the FED, thereby eliminating the debt and interest on our currency. Interest/debt-free United States Notes do not result in hyper-inflation as the media pundits (whores) and their masters (pimps) would have us believe. By issuing United States Notes, debt and interest-free, we have no re-payment to these bankers and therefore no income tax! Without income tax, people can buy more goods, resulting in added production and virtually no unemployment! The bankers want you to believe that we’ll have mass inflation if we change their system. This is only true if you add dollars to an economy without increasing production. Look at what happened in post World War I Germany. They merely printed money without increasing production. The result was inflation. Example: In the entire economy, if you only have 10 loaves of bread and only $10, each loaf would sell for $1. If you print another $10, you now have $20 and the 10 loaves, which now sell for $2 each. This inflation only happens if we don’t increase production. If we print $50 and bake 50 loaves, each loaf still sells for $1. As long as you monitor production and balance it with cash flow, inflation will not occur. Under the FED system, the price of bread has dramatically increased since 1913 (the year that the Federal Reserve Act was passed). Stop the FED, thus the income tax, and people will – have more money – buy more bread! If the income tax is abolished, YOU can spend your money, not Rockefeller and his BANKERS! YOU will have more bread, cars, and wealth! Someone will spend your money, it may as well be you! Right now, the only thing our income tax dollars are paying for (each year around $1 Trillion is collected via income tax!), is the interest on the national debt!! Under the FED system, when money is issued, we are charged the full face-value of that issued currency (which is backed by nothing! Bankers created it out of thin air!), which the FED claim as our principal debt, plus they charge us interest on top of that debt!! We blindly pay for each new dollar! Over and over again!!
5. Who gets this money? The Private Bankers, to whom we have given control of our money! We should only pay for the paper, ink, and printing costs of our money, which is only a very small fraction of its face-value. Why should we give private bankers the right to print up money, free to them, then turn around and let them charge us debt plus interest, by exchanging our “free” money for their government bonds (”bondage”) which pays them at our expense?? A FED-like banking system has destroyed other governments. Clearly, the FED must be abolished before we’re demolished! Laws are already set in place to have a dictatorship when the economic crisis erupts (Marshal Law / Federal Emergency Management Act, or FEMA)!!
Fact: The etymology behind what we today in the west would consider an innocuously ordinary, internationally dispersed banking practice called lending, is known within virtually every holy text throughout the world, including the Bible, as ‘usery’. Usery is generally categorized as a predatory type act, or ‘preying on those who are most vulnerable’. People within the banking and loan industry, however, more commonly refer to this practice as – writing a loan, or mortgage. The word ‘mortgage’ comes from the Latin conjunction – ‘morte-gage’, which in English literally means: ‘death-grip’. These ancient bloodlines (Khazarian), who have us in this terrible death-grip, will do anything to keep this secret from the people. Case in point, the Abraham Lincoln / John F. Kennedy assassinations. Ever wonder why and by whom the two were really assassinated? If so, please read on – about this SACRIFICIAL RITUAL:
The names “Lincoln” and “Kennedy” each contain seven letters.
Abraham Lincoln was elected to congress in 1846.
John F. Kennedy was elected to congress in 1946.
6. Abraham Lincoln was elected President in 1860.
John F. Kennedy was elected President in 1960.
Lincoln’s Secretary’s name was “Kennedy”, and Kennedy’s Secretary’s name was “Lincoln”. Both Presidents were warned, by their Secretaries, not to attend their fateful engagements.
Both Presidents’ wives had miscarriages while living in the White House.
Both Presidents were particularly concerned with Civil Rights.
Lincoln threatened ‘The Illuminati Agenda’ when he initiated a “bill” that he called “greenbacks” (printed currency), which would have rendered the U.S. Economy, AND THUS THE PEOPLE, free from the tyranny of European bankers.
Kennedy threatened ‘The Illuminati Agenda’ when he initiated a “bill” (EO 11.110, 1963) that called for the dismantling of The Federal Reserve, which would have rendered the U.S. Economy, AND THUS THE PEOPLE, free from the tyranny of European bankers.
Both Presidents were shot in the head by Southerners, on a Friday, in the presence of their wives.
Both Presidents, who were from the North, were succeeded by Southerners named “Johnson”, who’s names contain 13 letters each.
Andrew Johnson, who succeeded Lincoln, was born in 1808.
Lyndon Johnson, who succeeded Kennedy, was born in 1908.
Both assassins were known by their three names, which are each comprised of 15 letters.
John Wilkes Booth, who assassinated Lincoln, was born in 1839.
Lee Harvey Oswald, who assassinated Kennedy, was born in 1939.
7. Lincoln was assassinated in a theatre named ‘Ford’ (The Ford Theatre).
Kennedy was assassinated in a car named ‘Lincoln’, which was built by ’Ford’ (The Ford Motor Company). After shooting Lincoln, Booth ran from a theatre and was later caught in a warehouse.
After shooting Kennedy, Oswald ran from a warehouse and was later caught in a theater.
Both Booth and Oswald were assassinated before their trials.
A week before Lincoln was shot, he was in the small town of Monroe, Maryland.
A week before Kennedy was shot, he was with the movie star, Marilyn Monroe.
Please – check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFdrLcWTAP0&feature=PlayList&p=E5F6B1D8A28EEE40&playnext_from=PL&index=0&playnext=1
After watching this very informative documentary, please find out what you can do about this, by going to this website: http://www.apfn.org/apfn/Fed_reserve.htm
extemporaneous1
7 May 10 at 9:54 pm
I started an answer to this post, AGAIN, and the doorbell rang.
Later.
admin
9 May 10 at 6:32 pm
Wow. Besides name calling, I didn’t get much from these comments. Glenn may turn out to be one of your best friends. Why would he put his life on the line to do this work without evidence? Do you think the Government should be able to operate with no oversight? Power corrupts and this administration proves it. Read, don’t just spew nasty remarks. Prove your points. It’s sad that America has become so divided,
Glenn Fan
20 May 10 at 1:05 pm
Did you figure out how to use the spreadsheet? There are 16 pages of lies.
I rather doubt that Glenn Beck and I could be friends. In any sense of the word. You see, I really hate people lying to me about public policy issues. You think he’s putting his life on the line? Why would you think that? Because he told you so? Do you understand the mental illness referred to as paranoid schizophrenia? Glenn has it. He has a persecution complex. He has ADD. Nobody is after Glenn for “telling the truth”. Why? Because he’s a LIAR.
I operated an anti-Bush website for 8 years. The closest I ever got to being threatened was from somebody I pissed off in a chat forum. Bush never said a word, to me or to any of the hundreds of other ant-Bush sites.
Do I think the government should operate without oversight? No. Obviously not. But if you believe that Glenn Beck is providing oversight, you are sadly mistaken. Think about this: During the Bush Administration, the US government attacked a sovereign nation, overthrew its lawfully elected government, and executed its lawfully elected president without provocation or real reason. Our government tortured, illegally detained prisoners, violated treaties, and where was Glenn Beck? Providing oversight? For that matter, where was Faux News? When George W. Bush decided that he could just ignore the Constitution and disobey laws passed by Congress by signing statements and Executive Orders, where was Beck and Faux? Where were YOU, for that matter? Out in the streets, I presume.
You advised me to read. Please read all 16 pages of the lies spreadsheet on this page and then tell me that you think Glenn Beck is a truthful man who is providing oversight of the government. That’s HOGWASH, plain and simple. Glenn Beck himself has stated that he doesn’t have a political opinion, he’s just an entertainer. That’s a lie, too.
Please get back to me after you read the spreadsheet, kitzy.
admin
20 May 10 at 1:34 pm
Wow-admin seems like kind of a PRICK after reading these posts-fairly quick to insult the intelligence of other posters,call names, AND deny the PROVEN FACTS. Really? Van Jones and Bill Ayers AREN’T radical socialists? That’s odd-they’ve ADMITTED as much in video AND in print.
See you at the polls this year, Admin
Be sure to bring your kool-aid.
inzpektor
29 May 10 at 6:23 am
Well, it’s easy to be a prick to fucktards like you who can’t even read English. Especially teensy-weensy-minded little opinionated blowhards that wouldn’t know the truth if it was wakkin’ their willie.
“PROVEN FACTS”, eh? LOL prepare to be dissected and thrown in the trash, bug.
There is nowhere in the lies spreadsheet or anywhere that I deny that Van Jones and Bill Ayers are “radical socialists”. So you are either wrong or lying. Why would you pick something that’s so easily dismissed? Because you’re a fucktard. People are going to think that I wrote your post so I’d have someone to trash.
Do you believe that people can change? I do. If I didn’t believe people could change I wouldn’t bother with a website like this. People with a scintilla of intelligence can learn to read and reason instead of just react. Some people are really, really intelligent and they can change, too. That’s what happened to Bill Ayers and Van Jones. Bill Ayers used to be a Viet Nam protester. You remember Viet Nam, don’t you? That was the war that millions of Americans protested. The government finally caved in to public pressure and we pulled out of Viet Nam. Now Ayers an education prof at the University of Chicago. You know the charges against him as part of the anti-war group Weather Underground were dropped. You DO KNOW THAT, don’t you? So you know that he was never convicted of any crime?
Do you think people can change? Van Jones was a member of STORM, a political revolutionary group that describes itself as “loosely Marxist”. Do you know what Marxism is? Probably not, I won’t bother to explain it to you because you’re obviously a ditz who has nothing better to do than make a complete ass out of yourself. STORM DISBANDED in 2002. Van Jones went on to be a civil rights activist, an author (best seller on green jobs), a member of the President’s cabinet (because of his activism and expertise in the field), recipient of NAACP award, a senior fellow at Center for American Progress. He also holds a joint appointment at Princeton University, as a distinguished visiting fellow in both the Center for African American Studies and in the Program in Science, Technology and Environmental Policy at the Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs.
Now here’s something I know you’ve never thought about because you’re a dickhead. You use the word “radical” like it’s a bad thing. Fact is, every time we’ve made progress as a species it’s been because somebody with radical ideas implemented them. Do you think the Founders were more like radicals or more like GOPERs. (LOL) Do you think Abraham Lincoln’s proposal to end slavery wasn’t radical? How about Galileo and Copernicus? Radicals. Card-carrying, system-bucking, die-hard radicals, all of them. And YOU say “radical socialist” like it’s a bad thing.
Well, sonny boy, socialism is all around you. Your streets, highways, fire and police departments, military, Medicare, ADFC, Medicaid, and the governmental systems of the rest of the free world are socialist. So WTF do I think about a two-bit puke like you who comes in here, accuses me of saying something I didn’t say, then tells me I’m to drink the kool-aid?
Fuck you, asshole. Just what Jon Stewart said. You midget-brained retards better wrap your fucking thick skulls around this: America had plenty of time to see what you radical right wingnuts do to a nation over the last 50 years. You are the people that Eisenhower warned us about. You are the people that left Obama 2 unfinished wars, a legacy of torture, lawbreaking, corruption, corporate greed gone wild, and then you have the gall to tell me to drink kool-aid?
LOL you insignificant speck, thanks for the entertainment you’ve provided. Yeah, I’ll be there in November, laughing my ass off while the TeaBaggers repeat NY23rd over and over all over the country. The most disaffected group of voters is the GOP, you are a minority party that’s falling apart at the seams. Rand Paul is proving that the Libertarians are fools and driving a wedge right down the middle between the TeaBaggers and the GOPERs.
Yeah, I’ll be there in November watching the GOP implode and you holding you’re breath until your brain cell dies.
admin
29 May 10 at 11:10 am
Glenn lies everyday to all IDIOTS who believe him
Steven
4 Jun 10 at 10:10 am
Steven… isn’t it amazing? He says things that can be disproved by looking at your Tivo and the Beckerheads STILL don’t get it.
Wow.
admin
4 Jun 10 at 10:32 am
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Anonymous
10 Jun 10 at 9:33 pm
This too from Newsvine:
MSNBC reported that that guy with a rifle slung over his back at a rally Obama was attending was a “white racist gunning for Obama”
Beck said that that same guy was a black man.
Who do you think was lieing & who do you think right?
Jamers
16 Jun 10 at 7:34 pm
I assume you are talking about the sensationalistic reporting over the rally in Arizona on August 18. 2009.
Didn’t see the MSNBC report, but several other sources said that there were about a dozen people carrying loaded weapons at the Arizona rally. Naturally the press picked the black man to interview.
If you are using this to somehow indicate that Glenn Beck is more accurate than MSNBC you are barking up the wrong tree. Read the spreadsheet.
admin
17 Jun 10 at 5:21 am
Not barking up no wrong tree! You said you didn’t see MSNBC’s report, so you shouldn’t make that statement. I saw the MSNBC report, so I can assuredly state that they were misleading. MSNBC ONLY showed the black guy from the rear, zoomed in enough that only his back with the rifle slung over it was visible. Had they zoomed out the guy’s arms neck & head would not have shown them to be those of ” racist white man gunning for Obama” Glen Beck showed the exact same clip, zoomed out & to my astonishment it was a black man, & not a white man as MSNBC had claimed; and as am suggesting here, I not only watch FOX. But I mostly do as they, FOX. give me far more info that the others.
CNN’s Rick Sanchez came out with an exuberant “breaking news” about Beck. Only thing was that what he was reporting was a total made up lie he had gleaned from Wikipedia that a prankster had posted there…LMAOOOOOO!!!!
Jamers
25 Jun 10 at 2:07 pm
What was the point, again?
admin
25 Jun 10 at 7:28 pm
That Beck was telling lies. I was defending him.Some other things he said that ARE true are:
* A statue of Stalin has been erected in no lesser place than Virginia.
* Che Guevera was a murderer and a racist-singling out blacks and Mexicans for his venomously racist comments.
* Communist Party USA convention, May 21, was broadcast on C-SPAN on May 31, 2010.
* Ezra Taft Benson, former USA Agricultural Secretary said the following after his 1966 meeting with former Soviet Union Premier, Nikita
Kruschev: “As we talked face to face, he indicated that my grandchildren would live under communism. After assuring him that I expected to do all in
my power to assure that his and all other grandchildren will live under freedom he arrogantly declared in substance”:
‘You Americans are so gullible. No, you won’t accept communism outright, but we’ll keep feeding you small doses of socialism until you’ll finally wake up and find you already have communism. We won’t have to fight you. We’ll so weaken your economy until you’ll fall like overripe fruit into our hands’! (Noticed what’s happening in the political arena here in the soon to be Soviet States of America?)
* Communist dictators have throughout history used starvation to kill off millions: Stalin, in Ukraine alone, starved to death over 10 million, despite the fact that over that period Ukranian farmers produced 2 million tons of grain annually above what it would require to feed them normally. Mao slaughtered and starved 10′s of millions during what’s known as “10 years of catastrophe”. Pol Pot; of the over 2 million he murdered, it’s estimated 1 mil was by starvation. And so on, and so on! Now he speaks of Chavez, in addition to nationalizing everything in site, has seized control of the food in Venezeula. There are 80K tons of food rotting in warehouses!
* The modern-day KKK, with whom most people are familiar, was spawned in 1915 by the Hollywood epic Birth of a Nation, premiered at the White House with unfettered glee by a Democrat president, Woodrow Wilson. Cross-burning and other rituals were actually inspired by the movie. The Klan came to dominate the Democratic Party so thoroughly that the 1924 Democratic National Convention was known as the “Klanbake.” Answers.com said: “History shows that the Ku Klux Klan was the terrorist arm of the Democrat Party”.
* I never heard of Communist Goals 1963 until Glen Beck revealed it’s existence. Goal #29 0f 45 said: “Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis:. The attack on the Constitution has been ramped up in recent months to the point the Prez said: “It’s a charter of negative liberties”(meaning the state is denied full control of the lives of it’s citizens by The Constitution) ….what, like free speech, which communities don’t allow?
* Obama’s mentor who first started Community Organization, dedicated his book, RULES FOR RADICALS, to Satan. (Not surprising, Alinsky was a Communist).
* FDR, Alinsky, Cloward & Piven, John Holdren, etc., have all advocated for the economic destruction of America. FDR’s Plan of Action said: “SPEND! SPEND! SPEND! Under the guise of recovery-bust the government-blame the capitalists for the failure, junk the constitution, & declare a dictatorship”! (Was it just a coincidence that our economy tanked just a few weeks before the election of ’08?)
* FDR’s Treasury secretary said FDR’s reckless spending didn’t work, unemployment rose, etc. Back then FDR spent 4.3% of GDP. Now it’s edging up to 30%.
* Etyc., Etc., Etc.!!!
Jamers
26 Jun 10 at 5:39 pm
So, who claimed that everything that Beck says is a lie? Nobody I know, certainly not me.
The plain fact is that he lies all the time, not that everything is a lie. So that’s why I have a non-updated list of 16 pages of Beck lies and you can only list a few things that you claim he said that are true. BTW, quoting E T Benson is NOT a good place to start for getting to the bottom of the truth. Further, quoting Benson quoting Khrushchev gets you no truth points whatsoever, especially for Glenn Beck.
Your list of assertions is the kind of stuff that puts people in the loony bin. If you believe that Saul Alinsky was either Obama’s mentor OR that he “started community organization” you’re out of your ever-lovin’ mind. I don’t know if the Alinksky dedication is true or not, but if it was I would be AMAZED… I think you shoud point me to a link where it shows a photo of the book’s intro, then I will believe it.
You are wrong about attacks on the Constitution being ramped up. You are wrong that Glenn Beck “discovered” Communist Goals from 1963 or any other year.
The bust of Stalin was put up in the National D-Day Memorial in Bedford, VA. This is what it says on their website about the bust. (BTW, it makes you and people like you look like stupid assholes, which IMO you are). All you have to do is make a couple of clicks and you can find shit like this out for yourself, but NO… you’d rather just spread lies and innuendo like the rotten anti-American pukes you are. Ministry of Information, my ass. You are Ministry of DoubleSpeak and DoubleThink.
http://www.dday.org/index.php?page=showFullArticle&module=pressroom&id=290
Stalin sculpture depicts dark side of D-Day story
Sat, August 01, 2009
News Advance
By Justin Faulconer
The hair is brushed back. The mustache thick and bushy. The eyes menacing.
An infamous face from the 20th century is coming to the National D-Day Memorial in Bedford.
Richard Pumphrey, a Lynchburg College professor and artist, has recently completed a bust sculpture of Joseph Stalin, the leader of the former Soviet Union from 1928 to 1953.
The reviled dictator is fourth in a series of Allied world leaders sculpted by the artist for display at the memorial because of their mutual opposition to Hitler’s Germany.
Pumphrey has finished bronzed busts of Winston Churchill, Harry Truman and Franklin Roosevelt — all now displayed at the memorial.
He said he hopes the Stalin sculpture will be installed later this year, by Veteran’s Day. His next project includes Clement Attlee — Churchill’s successor — and Chiang Kai-shek, who led China’s military.
Stalin stands out as the most notorious figure he said he’s had to create from clay.
“He was just a terrible person,” said Pumphrey. “So the challenge is to embody the terror he instilled.”
Though he hasn’t received any criticism personally, he said the D-Day Memorial Foundation has fielded public questions over the purpose of placing the Stalin bust on site.
He compared leaving Stalin out of the lineup of Allied leaders with not including Judas, the betrayer of Jesus Christ, in “The Last Supper” — a famous painting by Leonardo Da Vinci.
“He’s part of the narrative,” said Pumphrey. “We may not like Stalin, but if he had not challenged Hitler on the Eastern Front, then victories on the Western Front may not have been possible.”
William McIntosh, the memorial foundation’s president, said the intent is not to portray Stalin as a hero, but rather as an ally who distracted German forces and played a part in the timing and unfolding of D-Day.
“He’s a necessary addition,” said McIntosh. “He certainly was a fact of life and a major ally during the Second World War … there’s nothing about the presentation that’s going to be flattering of Stalin.”
McIntosh said the piece captures his “venomous energy — like a coiled snake ready to strike” — but at the same time is not a caricature.
Pumphrey, 57, was in his early years of college when he completed his first bust sculpture of a fellow classmate. As a Lynchburg resident for 28 years, he has sculpted many pieces, from religious symbols to portraits of children, professors and Martin Luther King Jr.
Working periodically in his basement studio, he said he usually completes two sculptures a year. He researches historical figures through photographs, which allow him to engineer characteristics like head shape, facial expressions, gestures, body mass and physical features.
The process requires developing “an intimate relationship” with the subject — and that proved stressful at times while working on Stalin because of his “heinous” personality. The dictator’s “dark side” was something he said he never had to create before.
“You do get to know these characters very well,” Pumphrey said. “I was angry every day I worked on him … Knowing how bad a guy he was, you’ve got to reveal it … you should feel the figures in addition to seeing them. You should sense their nature just by looking at them.”
Kathryn, his wife, occasionally offers input on his sculptures.
“Sometimes I think they’re going just great and she’ll come down here and straighten me out pretty quick,” he said.
At one point during the Stalin bust she voiced her opinion that she didn’t think his eyes were sculpted in the right way.
“He looked too nice,” Kathryn said of earlier versions of the bust. “When I saw the final product, Richard definitely captured the eyes. They are a little bit more sinister.”
Pumphrey receives commissions from the memorial foundation to work on the sculptures through donations, he said.
McIntosh would not name the donor for the Stalin bust, referring to privacy issues since it has not been installed or dedicated yet. He did say it was an individual, and funding has been secured.
“We don’t do anything until we have the money in hand,” he said. “It’s money that came from a designated place that has a certain purpose.”
The minimum costs for the four sculptures so far is $50,000 each, McIntosh said. It covers Pumphrey’s commission, the pedestal to place it on, a plaque and future maintenance.
The first bust was installed in 2008, several years after the memorial announced it was debt free. The donations for the pieces help the memorial’s bottom line in a time when it struggling financially.
The memorial, which opened in 2001, is bleeding financially to the point that its leadership is urging lawmakers to declare it a national monument as one desirable avenue to avoid the prospect of closing.
The nonprofit has a $2.2 million yearly budget and pulls in about $600,000 from tours and ticket sales. The rest is generated through donations, which memorial officials said have suffered in the past few years because of rising gas prices and the downturn in the economy.
Pumphrey, who referred to the memorial as “a spiritual place” that impacts the quality of his work, said he has written Gov. Timothy M. Kaine and President Obama urging federal intervention.
“If this memorial were to not be recognized by the federal government as a national landmark, then it somehow I think would diminish the impression of respect this country has for those who fought that battle and who provided the turning point in the war,” he said.
Using a line from Picasso on which sculpture is dearest to him, he replied, “the next one.”
Will he miss Stalin?
“I’m going to be glad I’m not going to have to put my hands on him every day,” Pumphrey said.
admin
26 Jun 10 at 6:24 pm
I started viewing this website for the mere fact that every time I get in an argument over politics my liberal friends spew out “get off the glenn beck train” or “faux news”. I view myself as conservative (not a republican). And yes, I was one of the first screaming at Bush when he made the “patriot act” or started the bail out…our capitalistic system was established to gobble up weak, ill-managed corporations and our govt. didn’t let that process follow thru. And what pisses me off even more are the bail-outs to banks….I thought that is what the FDIC was created for and the money banks are suppose to pay into that system to save a failing bank and its customers….where is all that pool of money that was put into that type of insurance the banks have been paying into for the last 30+ years?
Although you have some good debunks, some of your debunks are still of your opinion and not truly a debunk. The Anita Dunn comment for example…I will/wont respect ANYONE who claims that Mao had any good intentions or respected the man for anything that he’d done…the man was in place and killed 80-100 million of his own people (estimated).
I used to listen to Beck a lot but can only handle so much fear mongering in a day. I’ve started to listen to Tom Sullivan who is a Conservative but I’ve noticed has jumped on the fence from time-to-time. He also has tolerance and appears to respect those who call in from the left…unlike Beck who will just hammer and belittle them right off the bat.
I appreciate what Beck brings to the table because in fact he is one of many that holds the President in check. Do I believe everything that comes from his mouth? No. Usually if its something that concerns me I like to dig deeper into the topic to see how far off or how close he is to the truth. Just like when Bush was office I spent a lot of time reading stuff in the Huffington Post and watching MSNBC…I knew these two groups would attempt to find the dirtiest info on him and then again, I would do research on what they brought to the table.
My point being is that its good to have apposing view points and “watch dogs”….the main concern is taking those ideas and taking the time to dig into the matter and research it to see just how much of their truth is bent or not. Just as much as u hate Beck I hate Keith Olbermann BUT I still listen to him and if something is of interest I usually see how much truth is in what he comments on. I respect your website because you do have some insight and you do have something to back “beck follower” weak as some of them are…they are still good. But people who just throw out the phrase “faux news” or
“Beck follower” hold no merit with me because when I usually ask why that is so bad they don’t have anything they can re-inforce it with…talk about mindless sheep….
Chris
7 Jul 10 at 10:58 am
Thank you for your well-reasoned explanation and comment, Chris. I am going to take the first stab at responding and I hope my website partner Qu1n1an will jump in (not on) too.
It’s not very often that we get people in here who are former Beck listeners. You say that you can only stand so much fearmongering a day. What a succinct and relevant comment. That’s what Beck trades in, and once you understand that you understand why he is dangerous. He scares people into thinking and doing things that are not in the best interests of themselves or the country. The “socialist government” that’s “going to take your guns away” and “put people in concentration camps” and “create death panels” doesn’t exist, not even a trace of it. That is a hoax, and if you understand who Cleon Skousen was you will understand exactly what Beck is trying to do.
I don’t believe that Beck, Limbaugh, Savage, Palin, or any of the nutjobs that have tried to cash in on the unfortunate GOP are just noise. They scare some people but they annoy most of us. I don’t believe that Obama gives a rat’s ass about them, and I don’t think he cares at all about the progressive movement (remember, progressive is opposite of regressive) either. He got elected in large part by mobilizing progressives, but he has not catered to us at all. In fact, most progressives view Obama’s performance as more or less the same as what Bush did on the important issues. I do. We still have 2 occupations/wars going, Gitmo is still open, we still have domestic spying, we have no plan to transition away from a carbon energy system, we still have state-sponsored religion, and so on.
You mention the PATRIOT Act, another failing of Obama. He should have fought to repeal it. But what would have happened is that the Becktoids and Limbos etc would have started screaming about it, then the GOP leaders would have felt obligated to scream too, since they are run by Limbo and Beck. They would have screamed “Democrats are soft on terrorism”. I know you know this. Obama knows it, too. Just like he knows we should stop deep water drilling and put a moratorium on gas wells. But he can’t say those things without the GOP screaming “just like Jimmy Carter” or “trying to price you out of business” or “trying to start a gas crisis”. I know you know that, too.
I watch KO but I’m starting to get tired of him. I don’t HATE him, though… I just think he focuses on the sensationalist stuff and doesn’t stick to substantive issues. He does a pretty good job of heaping ridicule where it’s well deserved. I like Thurber but I wish he’d stop reading it on his show.
I have to disagree with you about Anita Dunn and her Mao comment. As you probably have discovered, no person is 100% good or 100% evil. We’re not made that way. Even evil people get to be good at things. So quoting Mao is not being a Maoist, or suggesting that we should be Maoists, or endorsing Maoism. It’s just saying a thought that Mao had. Mao had lots of them (which he wrote down in the little Red Book). I can’t get excited about something like that and make a big issue out of it. It doesn’t make any sense. However, if she would have written a book where she spent 4 pages fantasizing about having sex with her BROTHER, I would have a few words to say about THAT.
Thank you for taking the time to give your critical opinion. I will admit that I have done a LOUSY job of keeping the lies spreadsheet updated. My excuse is that “he lies faster than I can type”. Well, that’s true, but it’s not a good excuse. Let’s just call it an explanation. I am going to try to do better, and you have inspired me to do so.
Thanks again for the comment, Chris, and please stop by some more. I have gotten some help from another person now and I’m sure the website will improve.
-Wexler
admin
7 Jul 10 at 12:52 pm
omg…that is exactly how I’ve felt about Obama….he has basically kept doing what Bush was doing…Wars/bail-outs/Gitmo/etc… Except he has crept us closer to Socialism…..before you scream at me for using the “S” word….let me explain. Health care reform as it may be is govt. controlled system which is a form and I say a “form” of socialistic ideals. I can name so many other options that could re-vamp our health care system but non of our elected officials would dare follow because of all the money they get from the health care industry. I have a very liberal friend who followed the excuses of the Obama Administration showing the statistics from the “WHO” organization which labeled our health care 32nd or 37th? Which after doing some research I’ve found the statistics and info that WHO pulled isn’t fair or across the board accurate. If you look into it you will see that things we report other countries either disregard or dont report or report but based on other situations…example our life expectancy we use homocides and vehicle fatalities and most European countries do not record that info as “life expectancy”. If you believe that our Health care system sucks like WHO reported I wouldn’t mind sharing the TRUE statistics and how we were compared with other countries….
Where were you when Bush was in office? All the news agencies and guys like Chris Mathews or Keith “bathtub boy” Olbermanless spewed racist and negative info. on Bush daily….
As far as Anita Dunn…I watched the video…she said “Mao was one of her favorite Political Philosophers”, the words are altered or misconstrewed(sp?) they came straight out of her mouth…I mean come on….it wasn’t like it took a two sec. blurpt of her saying it…he showed the whole speech and it was damaging in my book. There was no joke in her comment…matter of fact she re-inforced why she respected Mao. She was speaking to Children graduating from High School….the way she spoke of Mao was like this guy was actually a cool dude and brave…which again I stick to brave for killing over 70 million of his own people? Let alone enslaving a portion, torturing and imprisoning them? How do you respect that? That would be like me saying I respect Hitler for his political achievements or Stalin? I would rather piss on their graves.
I do fear that our govt. is getting too involved in our lives. What was it last year we had over 40k laws established by our govt. doesn’t that scare you? We are becoming a society that needs the govt. to tell us when/where/how to piss…seriously.
Our society has become so lazy, blaming and idiotic it scares me…no one holds any accountability for there actions anymore..and I live in one of the most sue happy states in America..Republic of CA.
People dont use logic or even simple common sense….for example the govt. (at least in CA) passing a law banning cell phone texting or calling while driving a motor vehicle…really? It only takes common sense to understand that it’s stupid to do something like that but now I need my govt. to tell me that? The more laws and regulations lead to govt. control. But Iam sure people will just laugh at that….to each his own….Small example of how that has worked…our small town was forced to recycle (which Iam all for btw) with a private company that ended up more than doubling our trash/recycling rates….our local govt. made it policy and the citizens had no say on going to another waste provider or not….matter of fact if you didn’t adhere to the new policy the city would enforce payment and people could face jail time if bills were held delinquent…..Would you say that is democracy? Would you say thats capitalism? Might I also add that our local govt. offered no other bids from other waste haulers? Does this seem appropriate? Or more than doubling our rates? Considering that #1 they were picking up our recycling half the amount of our trash AND making money on the recycling unlike the trash…..I only pointing this out as a small example of the problems that arise when we give our govt. too much control.
One french economist that I’ve started reading about predicted our future and the road we would go down if we weren’t careful(which to me, he has been dead on so far)..dont know if you’ve heard of him Frederic Bastiat: http://bastiat.org/en/the_law.html
I attached a link to his writings which are fascinating at least to me.
Anyway, keep up the blog….it would be interesting if you pointed out some of outright lies of the left…like bathtub boy or mathews…I mean considering you said you dont lean left…or am I wrong about that? Not being a smart ass but just thought you said that somewhere….could have been another person writing in the comments.
Chris
7 Jul 10 at 2:12 pm
Chris… I will replace this with a real comment tomorrow. I am FRENCH FRIED at the moment…. I am looking forward to it, your comment looks great!
Thanks!
admin
7 Jul 10 at 7:33 pm
Hi Chris – I’m Quinlan, and I’m the other administrator of the site. First and foremost, thanks for your thoughtful comments.
Let me first address your issue of health care. I must in all honesty admit that I consider myself a socialist. I then must say, as a socialist, that I do not think that Obama represents many of my interests. Don’t get me wrong, I like many things that he’s done, I just think that he really needs to step it up. Anyway, I think what people need to realize is that America already has a TON of socialized services. Libraries, police department, fire department, Medicare/Medicaid. See that last one? We already have socialized medicine. It’s true. I’m sorry to tell anybody who hates Obama, but he is NOT the advent of socialized medicine.
Secondly, Mao. I do not respect Mao, or the atrocities that he committed. However, I do respect certain, small aspects of the IDEAS that he had. PLEASE DON’T TAKE ME OUT OF CONTEXT. Should Mao have done most/all of the things he did? Of course not. Did he have a few political/social ideas that could have been useful? Yes. Bottom line, somebody can be a monster but still have some valid ideas.
Next, cell phones. I also am a resident of California – and I was SO HAPPY when that law came about. Of course, people shouldn’t have to be told to stay of their phones – but sadly, crash statistics clearly say that they do. I think the government is doing a great thing by fining idiots for doing dangerous things. Stats are already showing that it’s cutting down on dangerous driving practices.
I can’t speak about Olbermann, so I’ll leave that up to Mr. Wexler. I try not to watch liberal-biased news – I don’t want my opinion influenced. I make my own opinion based on facts, I don’t want other opinion unless I’m going to debunk it.
And for the record – I’m definitely on the left. About as far left as you can go. I can’t speak for Wexler, but I’m pretty sure that he is as well. In terms of lies on the left, This site is specifically for Glenn Beck. If we were running a site on general hypocrisy and lies in politics, you bet that we would have stuff from every end of the spectrum – but I also think that the better part of that would be from the right.
Thanks, and I look forward to your reply.
Qu1n1an
7 Jul 10 at 8:03 pm
Hi, Chris,
I just got my first cup of coffee and as it sinks in this response may get more cohesive. Sometimes it works.
I have read Quinlan’s response and I pretty much agree with it. I say “pretty much” because we don’t agree on everything, which provides at least one anecdotal piece of evidence that socialist atheists are not a homogeneous group. However, we agree on most of the important stuff and can agree to disagree on the rest. In fact there are probably some things I’m going to put up this morning that we do not share as gospel. (Heheh, that’s funny, coming from an atheist, right?)
Let’s start with the health reform debacle. If the reform bill just passed moved us closer to socialism it’s hard for me to tell exactly how. It is really just a continuation of our private health care system with a few rules thrown in. The core of the system remains unchanged; we still have private hospitals and medical offices running as free enterprise systems. We have a private system of education for our MDs and they are free to go wherever they want and work as any private citizen. The State will not own or control the means of production. In other words, I think the health care reform bill is a piece of crap.
It could have been SO much better. You talk about evidence that was ignored (the WHO study). I don’t know about that, but I do recall that it was 37th and I believe that if you look at the metrics of the study you will find that we have people in this “richest land” that live below the status of paupers. I know we can’t and shouldn’t make everybody equally wealthy, but I view health care as a basic human right. If you believe that, then you should look at health care delivery systems around the world and see how they do it, shouldn’t you? Especially when they have health care for 100% of their citizens and we have 32 million who have to go to the ER for basic care? Surely you have to agree that that part of our system is a tragic, broken mess. So what pissed me off beyond screaming and tears was that we HAD a perfectly good place to start the health care reform debate from. We had HR 676, passed in January 2007 and co-sponsored by over 80 Reps. It is 28 pages long. It eliminates insurance companies over a period of 15 years. You should read it. Insurance companies are the biggest waste center in the health care system. They add NO VALUE. They take money that should be used to treat sick people away as profits.
Speaking of profits, our little family of 2 is self-insured. Our BCBS provider sent us a letter last fall (just as it began to look like something was going to pass) that raised our rates 28.6% up to $960/month. Name one other service provider that can raise their rates by 1/3 and just GET AWAY with it. I complained to the insurance commission, which is like someone with a gas well in their front yard complaining to the Bush MMS. The ONLY reason we have not lost our house is because we have some assets. My wife will be on Medicare next year and hopefully we can pinch pennies until then. But what about the rest?
There are still 32 million Americans who have to go to the ER for medical service. A lot of the problems that have become emergencies could have been headed off by proper medical care at a fraction of the cost. Instead, our ERs are clogged with people who really shouldn’t be there, taking in the most expensive form of health care, and then unable to pay the bill. BUT, that doesn’t make the bill go away. Hell no, it doesn’t. The hospitals have to find the money somewhere, they can’t just operate at a loss because they are and always will be private businesses. So they raise their rates. And when hospitals raise their rates, then insurance companies raise THEIR rates. That’s how the two of us pay almost as much for our health insurance as we do for our house payment. And BTW, we had over $15,000 in out-of-pocket last year ON TOP of the premiums.
OK. So I think we should have done Single Payer. I also think you ought to look at the WHO study… as you know, the health insurance industry spent millions of dollars providing us with propaganda and deliberate misinformation. Remember “pull the plug on grannie”? So find the WHO study for yourself with the Google and then decide if you believe what you heard or what is actually in the study.
Where was I during the Bush Administration? Not watching Chris or Keith. I didn’t have time because I was still working as an EE and putting in 60-70 hours a week as a slave. However, I did operate my own anti-Bush website, which is in a bad state of disrepair at the moment, but please take the time to sift through it. http://www.stopdubya.com
As I posted earlier, I don’t share your hatred of Matthews and Olbermann. I have never watched Matthews on a regular basis, but he has good and bad points. One of his good points is that he goes all OCD on guests now and then and will not give up on a point until he gets an answer. One of the bad points is that his voice can whine like a 747, oh, and also that he would like to be the US Senator from PA. Where do you get the “bathtub boy” thing about Olbermann? Regardless of how you feel about him personally, would you agree that his show has better journalistic integrity than anything on Fox? I think it does. I think Fox is a wholly owned subsidiary of the GOP, and they have blood on their hands over the Iraq War. Yeah, they do, because they were leading the media charge in support of Dubya’s war even though we know now (and many of us knew then) that there was no reason to invade Iraq, none at all. I was one of those who knew. You didn’t have to be a rocket scientist to read independent news reporting from around the world and realize that our news is heavily filtered and some may even say censored. The press is now functioning as an organ for the State, and if you want independent news you have to get it from independent news sources.
Here’s a thought for you. How can there be “liberal” news and “conservative” news? News is just news, isn’t it? It always was when I was a kid. Back in 1971 when I worked for the paper there wasn’t anyone who ever said “Oh, don’t go cover that because it’s liberal”. The idea of politically slanted news is a creation of the right wing. The right wing has been crazy about newspapers ever since the NYT published the Pentagon Papers and the Washington Post destroyed Dick Nixon. They vowed that they were going to get a handle on this “news problem”. And boy howdy they have. Fox News Corporation, Limbuagh’s EIB Network, Glenn Beck’s insanity, and many other figures including Coulter, Ingram, Savage, etc etc flood the airwaves with radical right smears and outright lies. This goes unchallenged thanks to the Reagan FCC which quietly did away with the Fairness Doctrine. The Fairness Doctrine would fix this in a big hurry. All it would do, before you go hysterical, is provide equal time to anyone who has been attacked in the same media. This would be the end of hours of baseless lying and fearmongering. It would be the opening of doors of discussion on these points instead of hours of yammering and defamation. Wouldn’t that be a good thing?
We’ll have to disagree on Anita Dunn. I have seen the whole videotape of the presentation and the Mao comment was not key to the speech nor was it dwelled on. She just mentioned it in passing.
We do live in a lazy society that believes in instant gratification. It’s not just from the bottom up, though, it’s from the top down, too. We have a very small number of people who are hyper rich and have been since birth. They make decisions about our daily lives from which they are totally insulated and frankly they don’t give a damn about that devastate millions with a stroke of a pen. What really cracks me up is when the press gets on a politician’s side about them being a self-made man. Like Dubya, for example. Molly Ivans once said “Bush was born on 3rd base and thought he’d hit a triple”.
I agree with you that we shouldn’t need to pass laws against texting while driving. But obviously we have to, because people lack the common sense to refrain from it. I hated when states started cracking down on DWI because it literally ended my career as a musician. But people don’t have enough sense, or can’t control themselves, so they go to bars and drink too much and then drive home. Our DWI laws are still a lot less harsh than in Europe, where one DWI means you’ll never drive again. But there is still a bar business in Europe, at least everywhere my band played, because people there just adapted. They use public transportation or walked or have a designated driver. And their DWI crashes are next to zero for the whole continent.
Recycling is expensive. The issue is somewhat complicated by the whole licensing and contract procedure. I can’t speak to your situation there, but if enough people agree with you then you ought to raise hell and get it fixed. That’s how we do things here, we make our politicians uncomfortable enough with bad publicity that they have to pay attention.
I will visit your link, thanks for posting it. I am very worried about our Republic, and not so much for me because I don’t have that much time left. But I have grandkids. And I happen to love the idea of the US, I think the Founders really came up with a great form of government. However, we have allowed consumerism to trump common sense time and time again. We have become a nation of people who don’t participate in what was designed to be a participatory system. Our environment is on the brink of collapse and yet we won’t look at it. It reminds me of some of the alcoholics I used to entertain; they sorta knew they had a drinking problem but were unwilling to face it. If we can’t find the will to break free from carbon based fuels we are done for; the current system is not going to make it.
I am including a link for you, this is one of the most brilliant minds in American politics who articulates what ought to be the mainstream left position. Democrats HATE this guy. Of course I’m referring to Ralph Nader. This is a link to many of his writings, which I have some of collected in book form. I do not always agree with Nader, but in general I think he’s one of the very few on the left who is willing to tell the truth, even if it’s ugly. http://www.nader.org
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Well, thank you again for your comment, Chris, it’s really great to chat with you this way and I hope you will come back from time to time, even if it’s just to stop in and give us hell!
Best wishes & regards,
Wexler
admin
8 Jul 10 at 7:48 am
The whole “socialism” word I find funny because people throw it out left and right like its a bad word. lol I understand that a lot of what occurs in the U.S. is a form of socialism…medicare, police, fire, welfare..etc. and its a good thing unlike people who want to make it out to be bad. Pure socialism will not work…its been proven in history time and time again…We are human in nature and in being that we would do what we could to just get by….I will admit right now, if someone were to hand me 2.5k per month for nothing I would do just that…nothing. And if you think that a majority of people aren’t like that I would beg to differ. Before I became a teacher, I worked with my dad in his painting business and we had a contract to travel the Northwest painting HUD developments…I saw the craziest stuff and heard stories of how people cheated this and cheated that to get govt. money and it sickened me. Every town I went to was like a broken record…like these people all had a hidden website and shared info. on how to cheat the system….I was pretty tainted from that point on about welfare….then clinton came out with work to welfare and that is where I started to see how capitalism and socialism could work as one…crazy notion I know lol.
As I’ve said, Iam a conservative in heart but with that I believe in helping people. At one time, when I was a teacher, I used to be hard-core liberal….so I’ve deviled in both realms and have come under the realization that the two can intermingal(sp?). I am not an Aetheist and believe there is a higher being…I do respect your views but dont always agree. I am a reformed Christian (born/raised Catholic). As a Christian, I abide by the rule of helping my neighbor, I also respect my neighbor for the choices they make…whether they are homosexual or have committed what we term a “sin”….humans are not perfect and I by no means can say I’ve lived by the 10 commandments. So saying that I see the need for capitalism yet I also see the need for social programs to help those less fortunate.
The one thing that I think would make our system work better is attaching strings to using govt. aid. (work-to-welfare) Meaning, if I use welfare then I should be doing one of two things…either doing some form of city/county work (cleaning garbage on the side of the road or ?). OR I should be proving that Iam bettering myself by attending a trade-school or college. Of course, that doesn’t always work well with those who have mental disabilities…physical disabilities I could argue is not a crutch in a majority of cases…one such example would be one of thee greatest scientist of our time.
Nader…..I like a lot of his ideas…more so than either McCain or what Obama brought to the table. He was looking into cutting out the loopholes the rich use during tax season and I loved it….I read an article in the NYT which talked back in 2004 about new york city tax accountants saving over 500mill alone for new york city businesses….I was thinking…my god, one city and wondering if those loopholes were shut just how fast our deficit would be wiped out.
Anyway, will add more later…must go to work.
Chris
8 Jul 10 at 8:57 am
shh…iam at work dont tell lol…
Health reform debacle…I looked at it as a beefed up Medicaid program…the rich will still afford private insurance and those from the middle class down will be stuck with medicore healthcare. One senator I liked initially was Max Baucus and the notion of public option….but then found that how much he was bought off….when he voted against the public option. I think the Public option was a great middle ground. I say I believe in Capitalism but I also struggle with the thought that some CEO is making 45mill a year off my health and whether or not I live or die. BUT I’ve spoke to a few doctors that find it funny everyone is attacking Private insurance when in fact the federal govt. has had a hand in driving up medical costs with the amount of govt. regulations on the industry. A physical therapist I spoke to talked about how medicare would drop 10% off what they would give for certain things and it was the private insurance companies that would follow suit behind the govt. aid. One doctor I talked to laughed because 25% of his cost that he charges me goes right to medical malpractice insurance. Everyone laughs at TORT reform but really it needs to be done. #1 I do not believe doctors/nurses get into a field to ruin lives…mistakes are made, we are human. I do believe that compensation is needed if it affects my day to day life but come on we are talking about litigation and damages…people will still get all medical costs covered and people will still be compensated for what they would lose in regards to their income…say they could never work again….those are justified and need to stay. BUT dont tell me that someone for example like the woman who sued(sp?) the tabacco industry for 20 mill dollars because her mother died from smoking….its one thing if the tabacco industry forced that cigarette in her mouth but when do we start holding ourselves accountable for our actions….I drink…I drink lots of beer…I love beer…but if I got liver cancer should I be justified in suing the beer companies? Hell no, I know the risks and Iam willing to take that gamble. Its about what you said “accountability”.
#2 My doctor said to me, “we have an MRI machine now, to have your ankle examined it will cost you 4k dollars…of which I am responsible for 20% of that cost for one hour use of the machine” I asked why that cost is so high and he said because that piece of machinery cost the hospital 3.8 million dollars and most of that cost went to paying for that machine…..my point, technology is driving up our cost also.
#3 Pharmacuetical industry….have you ever asked yourself why a drug cost 3 times less in Canada or Mexico Vs. the United states? Look into the govt. regulations and govt. costs slapped on the pharmacuetical industry and the restrictions….let alone the lawsuits associated…which is a tough one to argue against….but I think can be minimized like that of Tort Reform.
#4 Competition…..your from CA…so you can see that Blue Cross pretty much controls CA…..I have insurance thru Anthem…WHICH is a subsidiary of Blue cross…I have Lumenos WHICH is also in the Blue cross family….point being is that all this so called competition in CA a majority of the health insurance is controlled by two major companies….other point, why is it that I can’t get health insurance from a Florida based company? I can do that with my Car insurance…..just an example of how costs can be kept down is by looking at the car insurance industry….more competition=lower costs.
Now on to attacking WHO and how “horrible” our health care in the U.S. is today:
#1 We are penalized for allowing Health Savings Accounts and not a govt. run health care system. having an insufficiently progressive income tax system (i.e., escalating rates on increasing levels of earnings).The low U.S. grades on these overcome its advantage on the statistics that directly measure health outcomes, where WHO rates our country number one.
#2 Our life expectancy is 18th among 30 world democracies BUT health care is not just a factor in life expectancy. THE U.S. is cited for two causes of death; homocides and auto accidents..take those out of the equation and we are on the top of the list for life expectancy.
#3 Infant Mortality: U.S. includes ALL deaths after live birth and defines births as live if newborns show any sign of life regardless of prematurity. By contrast Austria and Germany include only deaths of infants who weigh at least one pound at birth. In France/Belgium, deaths of infants less than 26 weeks of pregnancy arent includedpremature or not. Moreover, MANY countries do not reliably register babies who die soon after birth.
#4 SPECIFIC DISEASES: The U.S. clearly outperforms the rest of the world according to the U.S. Ntl. Cancer inst. And Intl. agency of Research on Cancer ..five year survival rates for all most common cancers are better in the U.S. than ANY European country.
#5 MEDICAL INNOVATION: Moreover, the U.S. drives the bulk of worldwide research and innovation related to health care. A study by Michael Tanner concludes, Eighteen of the last 25 winners of the Nobel Prize in Medicine are either U.S. citizens or individuals working here. U.S. companies have developed half of all new major medicines introduced worldwide over the past 20 years. In fact, Americans played a key role in 80 percent of the most important medical advances of the past 30 years. … [A]dvanced medical technology is far more available in the United States than in nearly any other country.
#6 Even under the WHO rankings, the U.S. is rated first in responsiveness to patients needs in choice of provider, dignity, autonomy, timely care, and confidentiality. Despite genuine problems of distribution and utilization of preventive care, overall, in comparison with other countries U.S. health care is faster, more effective, and more advanced.
Last….I look at our health as a nation in whole….lets face it, we are a fast food nation and because of that we have some of the highest obeseity rates in the world…which obviously is going to affect our health…its not the health care industries fault that we dont take care of our bodies…we are creating the disease.
….these are things that the Obama administration doesn’t want you to see or recognize….
I never believed in the granny garbage but I do know people that have medicaid that have been denied for procedures just like that from the private health industry…its going to happen wether or not we have govt. funded or private.
You spoke of people who clog up the hospitals who shouldn’t be there….and how the hospitals raise rates because of those non payers….what do you think will happen when people get health care for free? Its going to get worse, One example I can think of is my Friend who is the Head football coach at our high school….he came from Canada because of the lack of timely manner taken to get his back operated on and fixed. He was on a waiting list for 8 months and had to have his back fused….he ended up losing his job and decided to get a job in the U.S. to in fact get away from there system. He said people could get in sooner but it were those that were rich and could afford “extra” insurance…so meaning the wealthy were taken care of first.
Obviously we disagree on the war…I hate that we went to war and my brother changed my view drastically. He was a scout in the Army and was proud of what he did for those people….he talked to me about the mass graves that they were guided too by Iraqs in which Sadaam and his family killed and murdered because they were against the govt. Everyday people came up and thanked him and gave him little trinkets(sp?) for their thanks for helping them from the oppression. He spent two tours over there and left the last early due to getting Cancer….the group he was with were guided to a bunker filled with depleted uranium..which he pointed out could be made into a dirty bomb….not considered a WMD? He laughs and told me to ask the two guys from his group that died from touching the garbage because they didn’t know what they found….also he got Cancer …but the govt. isn’t saying its from that…of course not, because if they admited it they would have to pay restitution…pathetic. No, he said that the U.N. knew OF IT….so that doesn’t count…but whats funny is who would have stopped sadaam from using it? Certainly not the weak A## U.N.
He hates that its politcal but loves that he helped fellow humans…thats what he is proud of and I am proud of him and those soldiers for that.
The news thing…well its been proven that everyone interprets something that has occurred differently…stories are told and its the readers job to sort thru the B.S. Just like the MSNBC discussion you had…MSNBC reported using the “RACE” card and it was obvious they edited so you couldn’t see the guys color of his skin just his back and the gun.
Fairness doctrine? Come on really? What is stopping the Dems from starting up their own talk shows or radio shows? They have a lot more money that the Rep. Party….that has been proven. No one limits them from doing that…this is a free country and trying to tell me that it will make equal air time…I dont buy it. The dems could buy up as much air time as they want right now no one is stopping them…there is something else going on. Fearmongering happens on both sides…I can name you upteen times Obama has used the “crisis” card and why we need to do this or that…just as many times as I heard bush use the same word…I’ve lost all trust in our representatives Dem. or Rep. Both sides clearly work for big corportations not for the people. We dont pay for their campaigns they do and they have to listen to those who pay.
Anita Dunn….yes we can agree to disagree…
Lazy society/instant gratification….You hit the nail on the head.
My point about all the laws passed was that it means more govt. control…giving us less freedoms….which takes away the notion of common sense and being responsible human beings…now I just let the govt. do it. I agree, there are laws that are needed but at what point do we say…”thats getting a little carried away”.
Recycling….yep we made a big enough stink…things are changing and our current counsel members are nervous:)
I cant wait for us to be off fossil fuels….personally obama should stop all imports of oil and we should use up what reserves we have….they say we have enough in the U.S. to last over 50 years….I think that would be enough time for us to make the transition to a fossil free nation….Obama could say “you got 50 years…shit or get off the pot cause when its gone its gone” I think that would make for an easier transition.
Anyway…good talking to you guys…and I agree…should stick to Glenn Beck…he may be holding the current administrations feet to the fire but someone else needs to make sure he is getting his facts straight too:)
Chris
8 Jul 10 at 10:41 am
Wow, you’re voluminous (at writing, that is!)
I’m going to be buried with students all day today so I’ll see if my partner answers you. I’d be interested to see how he feels about some of those things, too.
If Qu1n1an hasn’t answered by tomorrow morning, I’ll give it a try. In fact, I might even just do that anyway!
Cheers, Chris… first student will be here momentarily….
admin
8 Jul 10 at 10:53 am
Hi Chris-
I think it’s so stupid how these days the right wing is using socialism as a synonym for communism and fascism. It seems that whenever they refer to Obama or liberals in general, they can’t refrain from using one or all of these words. Of course, they’re all drastically different things, and that’s why I call myself a socialist rather than a communist (or a fascist, yikes).
I agree that to have a capitalist society that functions at least somewhat well, we do need a lot of socialized programs. Heck, if we got some perfect socialized health insurance (not this stuff which Obama is doing, which I appreciate but is really not much), great financial aid, housing help, government-run hospitals that wouldn’t charge you an arm and a leg for a band-aid, and other social services which I’m failing to think of at the moment, I would probably just give up on my “socialist agenda” and be more-or-less happy with the situation that we had.
I agree that people should have to either work for welfare, or otherwise prove that they can’t work because of a mental disability or a serious physical disability (not ‘ow, my back’). In fact, the idea of payment according to work done is one of the principals of socialism.
One thing I disagree about is that pure socialism is not a viable system. I’ll agree that we haven’t seen it work in the past, but this is because the implementation was no good – if you look at the formerly socialist countries (there aren’t really any current socialist countries, those are communist), they were usually run by a dictator or otherwise the voters had no real power or freedom. When I ask for socialism in the U.S., what I’m talking about is that we get to retain every single freedom that we have now, (speech, press, etc) retain our system of democracy, but simply do away with the capitalism that plagues the poor and middle class. I think, if we did it well, we’d end up with something truly beautiful, that maximized personal rights and voter power, enforced stability with government control, and provided fairness in terms of monetary compensation. I am a democratic socialist.
Thanks again, and keep the comments coming!
Qu1n1an
8 Jul 10 at 11:08 am
That previous comment was in regards to YOUR previous one, but it looks like you posted a new one at the same time as my reply.
Honestly, there’s so little in your comment that I either disagree with or feel strongly about for me to reply to. Are you GOP, or just generally conservative? You’re too nice, and we’re agreeing on far too many things for you to be GOP.
In terms of accountability (suing, etc.), I do think that people should be accountable – but I think that the industry is as well. Basically, I say that any product you come out with should be labeled with a list of its dangers, and as long as a person suffers from one of those (or other common sense problems) when using it it’s their fault. However, if your cookie dough causes cancer and you fail to mention that, then by all means, the victim should sue your ass off.
In terms of fairness in news… Well, I hate to sound like a broken record, but I think that the reason that there’s no liberal news that can truly compare with Faux is for two reasons: one, because I think that liberals are simply better people in terms of lying, and two, because truth has a liberal bias. You usually only need to lie about it if you’re doing a conservative spin.
About Iraq – I’m sorry that your brother came home with cancer, and I’m glad that he felt he was being helpful. But the truth is that that war is entirely illegal. America is not the world’s watchdog or police force. We are breaking international law and getting our people killed. I really hated how Bush just took 9/11 as an opportunity to finish up his daddy’s war – and make no mistake, that’s what it is. I think that a military should only be for defense or otherwise big international wars (World War 1 & 2).
Qu1n1an
8 Jul 10 at 11:30 am
lol…no not GOP…Iam conservative but I have a brain and can actually have an intellectual conversation without throwing out stupid rants…at least I think I can.
I’ve bounced around and find myself conservative but don’t label myself Dem or Rep. I dont trust either party and truly see that they are almost the same entity. I hated Bush. I voted for Clinton, I’ve voted for Ross Perot lol..college days…if you remember him lol. I’ve entertained Ralph Nader but haven’t checked him totally. I have leaned on Ron Paul because he favors a flat tax which would get rid of loop holes entirely but some things I dont agree with him on.
I just cant see socialism working…anyone held with power becomes corrupt and greedy…its just been proven way too many times in History. Our govt. should be strictly a ref and maintaining what our society needs to function….roads, fire, police, military, Welfare, and (yes I will add Health care but as a public option;) )
Look at our current Representatives….I cant think of one that really works in our best interest…like my example of Max Baucus…he was gearing towards a middle ground in the battle for health care and when he laid his cards out he failed to take our side..he took the side of the people who fund his campaign..corporate.
When you said “liberals are simply better people in terms of lying” Did you mean conservatives are lol I try to keep as much emotion out of my arguments as possible…I like statistics and facts and even those sometimes aren’t solid because they too can be altered. I have a lot of liberal friends due to my 7 years as a teacher….I find them very emotionally geared in arguments and have no factual grounds which frustrates me sometimes.
For example…the SB1070….god willing I want people to have citizenship…immigrants are the hardest working people I know but its still illegal the way they cheated our system. My liberal friends say “give them all amnesty then, its not right!” Well #1 Bush tried that in 2004 and failed #2 Our social programs and economy would collapse…I know that sounds bad to base that on but there is a reason our Govt. only allows a certain percentage to have citizenship each year…..they have to weigh-in the attributes of new citizens….whether they will be a burden on our social programs or how well they will contribute to our country….its not right but this isn’t the 1800′s when we didn’t have the social programs that we have today and responsibilities to take care of the amount of people we do today.
It pisses me off how horrible people abuse immigrants…paying them 2-3.00 per hour, no sick leave or paid vacations….no benefits at all….to me its a present day form of slavery. Our govt. needs to work on making work visas easier and more accessable….allowing people to be documented and prove that they can be worthy citizens but in the same breath limit accessability to social programs. I found some great information on http://www.CIS.org (center of immigration studies), which records a LOT of illegal immigrant activity. Everyone screams discrimination but I have a little more faith in our police force than that…sure, perhaps 1% will show some racism but its much better than letting undocumented people run rampant thru our country…. Plus what Arizona did I think will make the Fed. Govt. get off their AZZes and actually do something rather than spend the next 20 years debating what we should do.
sorry Iam ranting so much…lol
Chris
8 Jul 10 at 2:46 pm
I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree about socialism.
In terms of the AZ law – I am not your typical blanket liberal. I have been known to have conservative opinions – and one of mine is when it comes to immigration. However, with that said, I am against the AZ law. The problem is that it inspires racism. If we want to check for citizenship when we catch a criminal, that’s fine, but we can’t just see a brown person and demand their i.d. card. That’s messed up.
I think we do need guard troops at the border – and I do think that we need to be better about deporting illegals. However, I also think we need to make it easier to gain legal citizenship to this country. Have you ever seen the citizenship test? A lot of American residents have tried it and failed it. Anyway, I’ve got a lot of opinions about immigration but this isn’t really the place for them.
When I said liberals are better about lying, I was just talking about how much conservative news spews blatant lies compared to liberal news. If your friends are a little bit too air-headed (no offense) to back up their opinions, please blame that on them and not liberals in general.
Qu1n1an
8 Jul 10 at 5:07 pm
I agree with Qu1n1an. You’re too damn nice to be a righty. We have openings, especially in California. (BTW, I’m in flyover country.)
I’m whupped after a long day but I just want to say something about the illegal immigration issue.
There are three possible places to put blame. First, you can look at those who come in as criminals who are breaking Federal law by crossing the border illegally. Second, you can look at it as a legal problem from the standpoint that we should just open our borders like they have done in Europe and let people mill about as they will. Third, you can look at it as a consumer-side issue in that the people who are causing the problem are the people who hire illegal immigrants because they can get them to do work we won’t do for slave labor wages.
Have I left anything out? If so please add it in as I am very fatigued at present and the only thing keeping me going right now is my spell-checker. (Note to Joe).
I tend to believe that the biggest problem is the third one. I think we wouldn’t have all these illegal immigrants here if managers of companies that hired them faced jail time. If families who hired them were faced with Federal felony charges. If that happened, then we would see the situation change over time.
I should also add that I believe that securing the border is one of those “DUH” things that should have been done long before 9/11 but Jeezus on a bike what the f*ck was Bush waiting for AFTER 9/11? Instead now we have the government reading our email and tapping our telephones at will. We have the USA PATRIOT Act that is a kick in the balls (or appropriate other body parts) to anyone who loves idea of a Constitutional Republic.
Which brings me to the OathKeepers. Stewart Rhodes is a traitor to the US and should be brought up on criminal charges of conspiring to mutiny. The OathKeepers are a bunch of crackhead gun freaks who say the love Jezus and hate fags. They would not exist if McCain had one the election, but since we have a half-black man in the White House, oh, they gotta promise that the Big Bad Socialist Gubbermint will never make them do anything that they wouldn’t do anyway.
What a crock of crap. Those people are really killing the conservative movement. They make conservatives look like a bunch of scared rabbits looking for a Lead Dingbat to show them the way out of the wilderness. Chris, you ought to run for office as a mainstream GOPER… you’ve been more articulate than any of those morons at OathKeepers or any other pseudo-”patriot” movement. They are a pimple on the rump of the GOP trying to turn into a carbuncle.
OK, I’m down for the count.
-Wexler
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8 Jul 10 at 8:38 pm
Don’t get me wrong about the socialism thing…I think it can exist but I think it can co-exist with Capitalism…we’ve proven that and we just need to fine tune it. Why I don’t think Socialism will work 100%? Well someone put it to me like this…the world will always need ditch diggers and paying someone the same amount as a person aspires to be a doctor is ridiculous….9 times out of 10 a person would pick up a shovel if they knew they could make as much money as a doctor. Plus having your govt. control the means of production again leads to corruption (which we already can see happen today with some govt. run programs) Look at what occurs in the police dept. today….tons of overtime given when it would be economically smarter to hire a few more police officers. OR look at how our govt. officials use there positions to gain knowledge for the stock market, back door deals allowing leaniancy(sp?), etc….govt. officials corrupted to the core….that is why our govt. officials should only be given power to be referees so to speak making sure corporations run fairly and appropriately….just to name one job of the govt.
Your point on the AZ law is when we catch a criminal…which that is when they ask for I.D….which all states do anyway…most officers site us with a ticket or give us a warning for not having I.D. What I find funny is that California Penal Code sec. 834b states EXACTLY what the AZ law states. Anyway…that is part of the law..if you commit a crime or traffic violation and an officer ask for I.D. (drivers license) and you don’t have one then steps are taken to prove you’re a legal resident….I have more faith in my police dept. and as I said, sure you might get 1% of the officers that are racist and look at any means to check I.D. but with our technology today they will get busted….80% of police vehicles have cameras and audio so its pretty hard for them to make stuff up. Plus if you look at AB1070 it gives illegals an option to sue if proven the officer didn’t have probable cause to ask for I.D.
Securing our Border is true our troops could do more training on the border and we should have more stations along the borders…perfect training grounds. But I just had a friend come back from Texas who was working on the wall and funding was cut by the Obama administration so they had to stop construction.
Yes….I agree we need to look at making the process easier to become a citizen….that way we can keep track of people in the U.S. and wouldn’t give people the excuse to not be illegal….and give them more rights in the work force.
The lying thing in regards to liberals lol….I think my friends who are teachers would be offended you called them air-headed lol.
I think you’ll find that most people who are conservative (I hate being placed as a “righty” or “republican”) are like me but for some reason when they get on a computer they can start spewing some of the dumbest sh#t…which I have a conservative friend that has a tendancy to do that….like he morphs into a different person but if he were having a conversation in person he is much more respectable and thoughtful…funny what anonymity does to people.
Patriot act bothers me too…but what do u do when we have so many nationalities living in one country and we don’t know who could be our enemy? I mean 9/11 over 3k people killed within an hour and everyone was like wtf? Obviously, they admitted to having more “cell terrorists” in our country…how would you find them? And if Bush didn’t do anything don’t you think people would have went for his head…well at least more than a shoe;)…plus we should remember that more than a majority of our representatives signed it into law…it just wasn’t Bush who created the law.
Yes the extreme right conservatives frustrate me….go waaaay to far but I think we can find that on both sides of the isle. You have that 5% of the crowd that you want to throw over the cliff. Example the pink ladies….they can be a little over the top…have you ever watched the videos of them protesting the marine headquarters in Berkley? So we have extremists on both sides of the fence we both would like to say behind them in a silent lip reading manner…”not with us”. Lol
Lol…I like your dingbat analogy lol
Funny you said that about running….no way I would be able too lol. Plus, my wife says I am more biapartisan….I almost call myself a centralist but then I looked that word up and that is NOT a political word I want to be associated with lol.
chris
10 Jul 10 at 7:34 am
Qu1n1an emailed me that he’d be out-of-pocket this weekend so I’m up. My last student for the day just left, nice gent, Viet Nam vet who took a slug through the front of his thigh that exited out his tailbone. He has no tailbone any more, but is OK in general.
I think the thing with socialism is that people get it confused with equalization of wealth. It’s really not that at all. What it is, simply, is that we agree that the state can do things better than individual businesses can in certain cases. We have already agreed as a society that our police and fire departments, military, intelligence, and so on, are best done by our government. We have decided that we should make sure that our elderly have a minimum standard of living and medical care. Now we have extended that to our poor (over the next few years). This is not income equalization at all, so the ditch digger/doctor paradigm is irrelevant. However, to me it makes perfect sense to extend socialism to health care, to funeral care, to colleges and universities (except Beck U), and so on. This isn’t to “equalize” anything, it’s for the betterment of our country. We need healthy, educated people to drag us into the 21st century, whether Beck and Falwell and the GOP agree to it or not. Who gives a shit about them? They are trying to hold us back as a nation, they are trying to solve everything with “tough love” instead of realism. I do not want to go to the ER like I did in 2006 with acute appendicitis and have it perforate while I was waiting for an effing MD to please give me some friggin morphine, or ANYTHING. That’s exactly what happened, I ended up spending a WEEK in the hospital for what should have been in and out.
The Arizona law is totally based on fallacies. Please read this. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/09/dana-milbank-calls-premis_n_641165.html
I can’t speak for Qu1n1an but I think the right wing media is chock full of liars with an agenda to turn this country into a bunch of jingoistic, ‘exceptionalist’, grabbastic, entitled, money-worshiping assholes who would rather step over somebody dying in the street than help them out. The premise is that we have some kind of individual and collective “right” to take anything we want from any other country by force because of any array of excuses. Oh, we need that oil. Oh, we helped them in WWII. Oh, we “beat” the USSR (that’s the absurd meme of the ignoramus Reagan-worshiper). Fox News lies constantly. It’s not just that they lie, they lie and then they draw false conclusions from the lie. Then one of their other news shows quotes “some sources” as saying the lie, and the echo chamber rebounds with dis- and mis-information. It’s totally sickening, it’s anti-American, it’s counterproductive, it’s blocking us finding solutions because we can’t have any honest conversations about critical issues that are destroying our country because the RWNJ in the media clog the pipes with fake bullshit.
Take global warming for example. The story hit a few months back that the stolen emails “proved” that global warming is a hoax. They proved nothing of the sort and that is a FACT. But all that has to happen is you get the spokes-models at Fox News flapping their gums, and then Limbaugh goes for it, then the next thing you know there are “serious questions” about the validity of the science. It’s called “junk science”. BULL SHIT. It’s real science, and since I’m old and sick I really don’t give a fuck any more except for my grand kids, but it just pisses me off that we live in the age of instant communications and it has been corrupted by these dickheads that would rather watch the planet become uninhabitable than have an honest, open conversation about global warming. BTW, in case you’re wondering about the emails please read this: http://mediamatters.org/research/201004060040?lid=1127156&rid=49916174
Well, Chris, I have to stop here, I hope this wasn’t too harsh sounding. I’m not pissed at you, I wish that there were more conservatives who were open and realistic. Our problems are not going to be solved by whether a left or right solution is the best; the solution has no political value, it’s just a solution. So it frustrates the hell out of me that Obama can’t use his bully pulpit (or won’t) to just say “Look. No more oil or gas drilling until the EPA and the MMS get their shit together. Period. We’ve been running on foreign oil for the last 100 years, we can do it for another year while we figure out how to get off of it.”
We know for a PLAIN FACT that we can put 7% of the fuel used for transportation back into the pipe by lowering the speed limit to 55 mph. Yet no one, NOT ONE of our spineless elected officials has the nutsack to suggest this to the public. They already know that the American character has been corrupted by right wing media; Americans now think they have “rights” to drive as fast as they want because they’re Americans. Screw the environment, screw the road safety, screw the soldiers we have around the world in oil wars. They just wanna drive fast. That’s the TeaBagger/Fox News mentality to a Tee. I will drive my Big Fucking SUV as fast and as far as I want at the most inefficient speed it runs at because I’m an Exceptional American.
Frankly, I think we’ve already been killed, we just don’t know we’re dead yet.
-Wexler
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10 Jul 10 at 10:52 am
Oh, Iam not confused with socialism…I understand that the state controls the means of production but I would like to point out that I do like your certain cases where socialism exists in the U.S. BUT I would like to point out that do any of these govt. programs run in the black? Beurocratic(sp?) tape kills most of our already run govt. entities to me anyway. So limited to the ones you stated plus education is fair in my book. The ditch digger/doctor paradigm was merely pointing out that if our govt. controlled all means of production and the only reason I would say health should be a public option is the fact that looking around the world most govt. run health care systems lack what we have today. You would have to read my past post about our rankings from “WHO” and my points on why our health is actually better than believed.
Iam sorry to hear what happened to you in 2006…What was happening in the ER that night? Was it busy? Did there initial diagnosis not see it in time? I’ve heard of lots of people being misdiagnosed with acute app. Or not seeing it right off the bat. Emergency rooms are tricky places…acting quickly and deciding who needs to be treated first is usually based on initial comments from patients …or the obvious. Glad to hear that once they realized what they had that they were able to take care of you.
I’ve based a lot of my decision on what doctors have told me and what I’ve heard from people who’ve moved to this country from govt. run health care systems. My example of our head coach who lost his job because of his back problems…waiting almost a year to have back surgery that would’ve been done within a week in the U.S.
I cringe when I see articles from the huffington post…they are as liberal a newspaper as they get. I wanted to provide some statistics in regards to the AZ law and would say that some of the crime statistics can in fact be in relationship with Illegal immigrant activity…NOT that the law should be based on that but the fact that people are running around our country undocumented is what worries me most….there is no reason for that and I think that our conversation about how to get easier access to green cards or work visas should be appropriate. Here are some statistics I found:
http://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/stories/2009/07/27/daily89.html
Global warming or climate change? I don’t buy into it…what I buy into is that I’ve been to L.A. and San Diego and can see what pollution does…which leads to why getting rid of fossil fuels is important. I am all for cleaning up and going green but for someone to tell me that going green means I will now have a “carbon tax” is utter B.S. Cap and trade is the most ridiculous thing I’ve heard of. I asked myself why Al Gore became such a big proponent considering he is no scientist and found some alarming things…#1 He owns part of a company that will be getting 3% of all the money exchanged thru cap and trade around the world..(think about that when we are talking TRILLIONS of dollars) and #2 He also has invested money in an electric car company. So
Our world goes thru cycles its proven (Ice Age, deserts used to be jungles..etc.) , I don’t think there is anything we can do to stop it. BUT we can clean up and with our technology we can get off fossil fuels. Another thing I’ve looked into that Iam watching closely is how Obama is handling the off-shore drilling….George Soros was giving a LOT of money from our govt. and invested a LOT of his own money into an off shore drilling company from Brazil…I have my own theories in regards to that. And what scares me even more is that company is planning on drilling 5 or 10 miles below the sea bottom off brazil.
I agree …no more oil or gas and just use our reserves….reality is that it will take our country more than 20 years to transition if we were to stop cold turkey right now…considering everything that runs of fossils and transitioning businesses and testing etc…..some people don’t realize that our aircraft and military technology is based on technology that is more than 20 years old….life cycles which from the inception (idea) to production usually takes 20 years. But I think if we stop importing and focused on it we could get off fossils entirely.
I don’t think its fair to generalize on group and say they are the culprits to driving big SUV etc….that you stated. I know plenty of DEMS who believe in driving as fast and driving whatever they want. Teabaggers as you call them have a good intention…at one time I agreed with a lot of what they said and then the vultures started to take over….Republicans that couldn’t make it as Republicans started joining the cause…they tainted it my eyes. I was upset when Bush bailed out the corporations and then Obama kept what Bush did going….its utter B.S. Our country was built on Capitalism and other businesses would have devoured those companies that were ill-managed and going bankrupt…it happens everyday. Plus the Bank bail-out…B.S. That is what banks pay into the FDIC insurance for…..that money is suppose to fix that problem and our govt. didn’t let it do the job it was made to do in the first place after the stock market crash.
Anyway…I must run….have church and community duties today. Hope you guys have a good Sunday
chris
11 Jul 10 at 8:10 am
Hi, Chris…
I am in a big hurry at the moment, but I just wanted to approve your comment and let you know it will be answered as soon as I have a chance… Also, and this is a tip, not a cheap Spelling Nazi thing… I use Firefox and it has a spellchecker that works with all or almost all of my web applications including a very good popup dictionary. I would be LOST without it… when I am writing notes for my student’s lessons I have to use pencil and comp book and my spelling is such mess you wouldn’t believe!
Cheers,
Wexler
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11 Jul 10 at 9:04 am
Wexler,
I noticed in your comments that you state that you are a proud Socialist. Thanks to the democrats and progressive movement the US is becoming just that. Socialism is based on a collective society. Meaning that all should do their part for the benefit of the collective. The government helps out by redistributing the wealth through taxes. So no matter how hard you work you will get the same as everyone else unless of course you are the one in power at the government level or have connections. There is one problem with this concept that everyone gets the benefits equally, seems over time society discovers that they don’t have to work so hard to get the same thing. So the welfare state grows until it out weighs the working class. Government raises taxes to support the welfare state and grows government programs to employ those that are not willing to provide for them selves. Eventually you run out of other peoples money. So a government is forced to use monetary inflation in order to pay its debts. You know I just heard that phrase recently. Hmm? Oh I know where, it was the CBO.GOV Directors BUDGET REPORT!
And Chris, it’s not 5 or 10 miles, it’s 5000-10000ft. Yes, Soros did invest in Petrobras. What luck that the rigs in the gulf might be moved to Brazil.
maxx
27 Jul 10 at 6:24 pm
Yeah, I’m a proud, tax-paying citizen, have been all my life. So that means I have a clean conscience when it comes to driving on public roads, going to public libraries and buildings, feeling secure under the nuclear umbrella, and yes, helping people who are less fortunate than me. That’s what I consider to be good citizenship; I take pride in our public school system, once the crown jewel of the western world. I take pride in people who have fought hard and bled and cried and lost and won to bring the basic human rights to all citizens of our nation regardless of color. I salute the progressives who realized that there are better ways to govern, better ways to serve all citizens with equal services and dignity regardless of social standing and race.
Your thesis seems to be that in order for socialism to work it has to be based on wealth redistribution. Well, maxx, you’re living in a wealth re-distribution world. You probably didn’t hear the story tonight on Countdown about the City Manager of Bell, California who just got cold busted for having jacked his salary up to almost $800k. The Asst. Mgr and the Police Chief got similar amounts. You see, that’s a perfect example of the wealth redistribution system at work. It’s people who can’t CONTROL the exchange of dollars having to PAY for it. Corporations are perfect little models of the Bell system, too. I’ve worked in a few in my days. There’s always some incompetent jackass who has risen to the peak of his incompetence running the business into the ground, and just before it crashes and burns, golden parachute.
The moral? Little people get screwed by big people. Corporations screw their workers, companies screw their investors and their workers, it’s a wealth distribution system of epic proportions and guess where the money is going, maxx? It’s going UP THE FOOD CHAIN.
That’s right, maxx, all of this socialist wealth redistribution that you posit isn’t really happening. But there really IS something happening, maxx, and that is that wealth is moving UP the food chain. The rich are getting richer, the poor are getting poorer, and the middle class is… well… it’s sort of evaporating.
I had to laugh. A few weeks ago it came to my attention that Glenn actually contended that yeah, the middle class is shrinking… they’re moving into the UPPER class! LOL that’s so freaking hilarious I thought I might spit my beer about that. But how many of YOU Beckerheads took that in and believe it? Do you believe that the middle class is moving to the upper class, maxx? Because it’s NOT, maxx. A simple look at the US Census figures shows us what’s happening and it’s not pretty. There are more people living in poverty now than ever before in our history. There are hundreds of thousands of households that are one paycheck away from foreclosure on that icon of American investments, their own HOUSE.
Your side makes a common mistake when you think and talk about government. You equate the size of the government with the size of the haul they take in every year in taxes. That’s not the way it works. I wish you would get that straightened out because it confuses a lot of people, mostly on your side.
What was the Bush Administration’s motivation when it set up the corporate tax system so that companies could rent a PO box in Cabo and then claim to be a foreign company exempt from US regulations and taxes? And what was the motivation when it made the tax system a convenient excuse to send factories overseas?
Where do you think wealth comes from, maxx? It comes from value added to materials, doesn’t it? So you can have a pile of iron ore and a bunch of bricks and some coal and a few pieces of smelting equipment, but you don’t have steel yet. It takes the people with the knowhow and the back muscles to put together the steel mill and get it running. And it takes the workers on the floor to risk their necks out there handling white hot steel to make it into something Yet on top of that class of people, let’s call them the creators, is another class, let’s call them the leeches. They don’t produce a goddam thing, all they do is go to their cubicle to shuffle papers every day and meet and drink coffee and make reports. Sometimes that part of the business, the leeches, suck just as much money or even MORE per capita than the people on the floor who are actually creating the product. That doesn’t seem right, does it? Does it? Why should someone who knows nothing about what’s happening on the factory floor make 2 or 3 or 400 to 500 times more than the highest paid person on the floor and for that money what they do is ship the factory overseas?
Now maxx, this is your first post here, and it’s not a bad one. Did I run into you at that goofball GOPER site this morming? Wow, what a turn off. “Primitives”? WTF is that all about? I think Frankie ought to check his chest and see if he can find something to stuff in that giant hole where his heart ought to be. Jesus. So maxx, let’s talk about this. Not the other site, but this topic that you posted to. It’s Glenn Beck Lies. If you would like we can talk about a specific thing that I listed that you don’t think is a lie, or you can do whatever you want. Just don’t try to whip up support for Rand Paul, that’s all I ask. (haha, little joke there).
I don’t always have time during the day to check for posts, so don’t feel bad if your post isn’t approved right away or if I approve it but don’t answer right away.
Have a good evening.
admin
27 Jul 10 at 7:16 pm
I just found your site, and while I haven’t read every comment yet, I have appreciated the honest discourse. And collecting the lies of GB is certainly a vital service. Especially with the birth of the uber-ridiculous GB University. Argh. It pains me.
If you haven’t discovered her yet, here’s an excellent source for you. She debunks Beck point for point.
http://www.talk2action.org/user/Chris%20Rodda
Thanks very much for this site.
KatyAitch
29 Jul 10 at 1:14 pm
Wow. Nice link, nice comment. Thank you very much.
Quinlan and I view this task as a public service and also one way of expressing our civic responsibility. So we take this deadly serious. Thank you again for the link, and I will contact MS Rodda after I read her book, which looks like an excellent source of material.
I am working on 3 pages at the moment and one long overdue post about the contest between the Mormons and Fundies for control of the fringy right. I have to admit that I was somewhat amazed when Liberty U hired Beck to give the commencement speech. That was a holy cow moment for me.
The pages in progress are The History of Progressives, Who Fought The Nazis, and Glenn Beck-Domestic Terrorist. The one that’s maybe not quite obvious as to subject is Who Fought The Nazis. This page will be about the German resistance movement, the people who actually fought to prevent Hitler and the Nazis from taking power and then continued with assassination plots. The point of this page should be apparent to any Glenn Beck aficionado. Beck is always saying that Progressives and leftists and socialists are the same as Nazis and that we would have been fighting to put Hitler in power. Absolute poppycock. The progressives, students, intellectuals, artists, and many other groups of similar belief were the ones who fought the rise of Hitler and paid with their lives. This, as well as who the progressives are and where we came from, needs to be corrected because Beck is jerking everybody’s chain with the “progressive” label the same way Rush Limbo did with the “liberal” label.
The irony of Glenn Beck giving history lessons, starting a “university”, and using the anniversary of the “I have a dream” speech to pull off a stunt at the Lincoln Memorial called “restoring honor” is so overwhelming that it takes one aback. It’s hard to process. I think it ought to be funny, so Stewart and Colbert can make hay with it. But goldmonger Beck is taking this and the faithful for a big, long ride and it needs to be dealt with before we have more situations like this….
Glenn Beck’s Incendiary Angst Is Dangerously Close to Having a Body Count Eric Boehlert is who has convinced me to get off my duff and put up the “Domestic Terrorist” page. I hope to have it up soon.
Thanks again for the kind words & great link!
-Wexler
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29 Jul 10 at 2:03 pm