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June 30 2011 The truth certainly doesn’t live in the headline of .

June 11 2011 Beck makes an obscure connection from Dan Akerson to George Soros through the Carlyle group. Got news for y’all: whenever Beck links anybody to George Soros through anything, there’s a 1/1 chance that he’s full of it.

May 22, 2011 Glenn Beck’s website refers to rapper Common as “anti-cop.” Untrue. The right has beem making extraordinary efforts to smear him due to his recent White House visit. In fact, he’s spoken out in defense of police numerous times, and just weeks ago tweeted “The one thing that shouldn’t be questioned is my support for the police officers and troops that protect us every day.”

May 7, 2011 Glenn says… wait for it… that Osama Bin Laden may very well may not be dead. That’s simply false. Al Qaeda confirmed it. The Taliban confirmed it. Reporters at the site have confirmed it. Oh yeah, and the president has confirmed it. Sorry Glenn, but you lose again.

April 22, 2011 Beck claims that Mike Huckabee wants to take candy from babies’ mouths – literally. Do you know what ‘literally’ means, Glenn? Lie.

April 18, 2011 I noticed that we’re getting a ton of hits from conservative groups on Sodahead. Welcome to the truth, Sodaboys and Sodagirls. What I’d like to know is if you are really as righteous as you claim to be, why does one need to be granted membership to your clique in order to see your conversation? The phrase “lack the courage of their convictions” comes to mind. Should you ever wish to make a public comment, you are welcome to be eviscerated here at your pleasure.

For the lie… we just missed the 2 year anniversary of Glenn Beck’s claim that there is conspiracy (aided by American socialist liberals like Obama, Chinese communists, and Frenchmen of course) to destroy the dollar and go to a global currency. Actually, this was articulated kookily on a March 23, 2009 radio show with guest Michelle Bachmann. Glenn has been on this rant since the beginning of his crackup.

April 16, 2011 Beck asserts that he doesn’t want viewers to become angry, racist, or violent. I’ll take that to mean that he wants himself off the air then? Perhaps he means himself as the cautionary tale that he is.

March 16, 2011 Glenn has alluded this week that the earthquake, tsunami, and pending nuclear disaster might be “acts of God”.

This is pure BS. Mormons don’t believe in God the same way that Christians do. They believe that every righteous MAN becomes a god in their own universe upon their human death. They take their “sealed” family (meaning their many wives and children) and somehow transport to their very own NEW universe where they get to run the show and populate it by screwing everything that moves.

So according to Mormon dogma, the “God” of our universe is a dead person from some other universe who is ONE flesh and blood individual. Now you may believe in magic (see Sarah Silverman’s “Jesus is Magic”) but it’s hard to contemplate a God that is trying to populate our entire universe with billions of stars and planets, and trying to do it by sex acts, would have time to crack open his own creation and kill a bunch of people who have done nothing except try to make a living.

So, when Glenn says that God “may or may not” have had something to do with Japan’s trouble, he’s a fraud. He’s trying to make you think in terms of Christian God, an all-powerful, all-knowing, omnipresent God who takes care of everyone’s personal needs and presides over football games.


March 13, 2011 Glenn Beck’s site, ‘The Blaze’, more or less debunks James O’Keefe’s NPR video. That’s… um. Good? I think. What are you up to, Glenn?

Feb 25, 2011 Glenn Beck devotes an entire program to the work of Lila Rose, President of the group Live Action. Rose is a wannabe James O’Keefe; her specialty is heavily edited videotape shot by actors and actresses impersonating people who are seeking help at PP clinics, put together in a way to mislead the viewer that there is something going on at Planned Parenthood that is not really happening.

It doesn’t take a mathematical genius to add this up. Glenn is trying to incite another string of knife, gun, and bomb attacks such as what has already taken place at various clinics. This is domestic terrorism. Glenn is a domestic terrorist.

If you don’t like abortion, then DON’T HAVE ONE. But you can’t stand by for this:

Feb 23, 2011 Glenn asserts that Democracy is equal to “mob rule”.

… The Muslim BrotherHood, Iran, China, communists, you got the unions, you got the students, you got Hollywood, You have Chavez, you’ve got Castro, you’ve got Van Jones, I could go on and on.

Who’s calling for a republic? Well, there’s ME, and…… YOU.

See the problem? Democracy means one man, one vote. Sure, it SOUNDS great but when you have powerful people organizing for America, for Egypt, for Madison, for the unions, it means mob rule.

Now just wait one goddam second, Glenn. One man one vote is EXACTLY what we have in this country. Except the particular perversion of it today is that we operate in a representative democracy, meaning we elect people who represent the best interests of our communities and districts and they are supposed to act in our best interests. Here’s where You fall flat on your Weeble face: Our government is on the take and it’s not on the take from ANY OF THE PEOPLE you listed in your “who wants democracy” straw man.

The trouble with you, Glenn, is that you’re too dang easy. Everybody’s doin’ you now, I suppose it won’t be too long before the Mormons come out with the latest anti-gay statement like this:

We, the Elders and Military, and Presidency, and poobahs of the Mormon Church do solemnly swear that homosexuality is an abomination in the eyes of the lord, a SCOURGE, except in the case of Glenn Beck.

It’s coming…. the announcement that Beck is gay… you watch. It won’t take long.

Feb 23, 2011

From May 31, 2010… Glenn asserts that fact-checking sites like Snopes are just another part of the Soros web. (You see, Beck has been going for Soros for over a year now and look who’s about to make a crash landing. Hint: Not Soros)

Glenn says of, “Aren’t they originally funded with Soros money?”

Not really, Glenn. Not even close. Snopes was started by a couple interested in tracking down and debunking urban legends (especially those being spread over the internet). David and Barbara Mikkelson originally began the website in 1996 as a list of urban legends and it began to snowball as people wrote in to ask if random things were true.

Like, for example, the random things Glenn Beck makes up.

Feb 22, 2011

Glenn Beck continues to claim that George Soros, Code Pink, American socialists, marxists, progressives, and maybe even Obama, are plotting with the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood to create a global Caliphate that will threaten to take over the entire world with militant Muslim fanatics. This is his “hill to die for.” “I’ve planted my flag,” he said.

First off, this alleged “caliphate” would have to take on the US military with AK-47s and RPGs. Really? Glenn, what makes you think that a handful of radicals who can’t even think straight could defeat the US military, not to mention the military of their own country?

Second, there is no evidence whatsoever that this has anything to do with a global caliphate. Glenn is just making up another lie, a desperate attempt to convince his dwindling followers that they need to stay tuned or be swept away by the tide of Muslims. As reported earlier on this site, Glenn estimates that 10% of Muslims are terrorists. WTF? According to that we have hundreds of thousands of terrorists living right here in the US. You see, he just makes it up.

There is no caliphate, no threat of one. Except in the rich imaginary world where paranoid schizophrenics dwell.


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Glenn Beck Lie of the Day:

Glenn claims that Saul Alinsky’s book “Rules for Radicals” is dedicated to Lucifer. This is a lie. Well, unless “Irene” is also called “Lucifer”.

‘Tis the season to spend money…

Especially on Glenn Beck’s books. He loves God and Jesus, and stuff like that, but he loves it more when you buy his books. Because he wants you to read and believe the lies in them, like the one Fareed Zakaria blasted this weekend.

Glenn Beck repeated a lie on Monday that he has stated often, including in his 2003 book, The Real America, Messages from the Heart and the Heartland. Namely, 10% of Muslims are terrorists.

Holy Moroni, RoundBoy! That’s 157 million people, half the population of the USA, and a whole bunch of them probably live right here! But wait!

Beck’s apologist Stooge has an explanation. Beck gets his number from a poll of Muslims worldwide and a total of 10% of them either said they disapprove of the United States government or hate it. But as Fareed Zakaria so succinctly points out, “Hating America is not the same thing as being a terrorist.”

Zakaria also noted that many polls show a substantial percentage of Americans are angry with the government.

Does supporting such anger against the American government make one a terrorist? According to Glenn Beck’s producer and his definition, maybe, but in that case, how would one describe a man who has been fuelling such anger against the American government on television daily for the last two years? How, in other words, would one describe Glenn Beck?

Thanks to Mr. Zakaria for a brilliant game/set/match and to reporting by the Huffington Post.

WELCOME to everyone who is stopping by today to try to understand what exactly is up between Glenn Beck and George Soros. I have written two posts about it on the homepage.

The newest post details what Glenn is accusing Soros of doing, and the previous post fleshes out the real reason behind the new wave of attacks… RATINGS. Enjoy!

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Update Nov 1

I see we’re getting a passel of hits today from Reddit. Thanks to whomever it was who posted the link to our Lies page. This is not as concise as some would like it to be but it’s harder to nail down weasel words than you might think. In honor of today’s visitors, here’s a few quick hits from Beck’s February 20th CPAC speech. Enjoy

Beck:I have to tell you, I hate Woodrow Wilson with everything in me, God bless you. No you don’t, Glenn, you LOVE Woodrow Wilson because he is dead and therefore cannot defend his ideas against your inaccurate interpretation of them. If it weren’t for your imaginary war on “progressives” you might be where you belong, out on the street doing tricks for a buck or two.

Beck: I have always believed that, I have always wanted to believe that: that tomorrow is going to be better than it is today.
Not so. In 1986 the only reasons that you didn’t commit suicide was that, in your own words, you were “too much of a coward” and “too stupid”. Your empire is based on fear, the belief that tomorrow is going to be worse than today. Making $32 million a year, hey, that’s not a bad gig, even if it is based on a bullshit scary lie.

Beck: I don’t use teleprompters, I just speak from here (pointing at heart)
Come on, Glenn, there was an active teleprompter at the podium while you said that. You do use teleprompters. Anyone who cares about what they say to the public uses them, or written notes, because otherwise you end up sounding like Jan Brewer who can’t even tell people what office she’s running for or why they should vote for her.

Beck: (Writes “Progressivism” on his chalkboard) This is the disease. This is the disease in America. It’s not just spending, it’s not just taxes, it’s not just corruption. It is progressivism.
Not really Glenn, and even though you like to keep repeating that lie hoping that Idiot America will adopt it because of repetition, it’s not going to be true. It never has been true, it never will be true, by definition. I urge everyone who has a few minutes to visit this page on our website which explains the origins, the context, and the beliefs of progressives.

Beck: Progressivism is the cancer in America and it is eating our Constitution. And it was designed to eat the Constitution. To progress past the Constitution. The plain truth is that if America wants to survive into the 21st Century and beyond, we are either going to have to adopt more progressive policies OR devolve into a feudal system where we have the hyper-rich at the top 1/10 of 1% and everyone else far below them. We are already seeing this starting in America with the income tax system slyly devised by Bush. The tax burden is shifting down the food chain at the same time wealth is shifting up the food chain. 1/7th of Americans live near or below the poverty line. Glenn Beck tells you that the reason the middle class is shrinking is because former middle class members are moving to the upper class. Do you really believe that? Really?

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Update 10/24/10

Well, the election is right around the corner and the GOPERs are already banging the gong and measuring the curtains. Of course Glenn takes great pride in being a central (?) figure in all of this, by selling hundreds of thousands of books full of outright trash and lies. For example he likes to claim his mother committed suicide. That’s believable, since she had such a mutant for a child. However, even his first wife had no idea what he was talking about when he brought it up on the radio.

Nor did the police. Actually, her death was recorded by the police as a boating accident. She went boating with a gentleman and HER DOG and the two humans ended up dead. Who takes their dog with them when they go to commit double suicide? Think about it… another Glenn Beck lie, he will even lie about his dear sweet mammy’s death. Tsk tsk.

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Glenn is famous for his slap-chop history lessons, but this one is one he ought to be slapped in the chops for. Beck recently contended on his radio show that slavery was a good thing just going along minding its own business and THEN (da da DAAAAAAAAMMM) the nasty old mean government stepped in and REGULATED it.

Beck actually said slavery “started with seemingly innocent ideas” and then “the government began to regulate things.”

This turned it into something awful and perverted.

WTF!!!!? Glenn, I know you hate black people and anyone else who isn’t Mormon-livered white, but come ON, dude. People, that’s human beings, were being captured like animals, stolen, sold as property, branded, chained, thrown in the holds of slave ships where they wouldn’t see the light of day for 3 months, and then sold off to do hard labor in the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave. And you think REGULATION caused this? Come ON, not even YOU believe that. That’s the most asinine explanation of African slavery I’ve ever heard, bar none. This gets you a special WWWexler Idiot America Award, an award for people whose accomplishments are so idiotic that they deserve a statue.

Here’s some free advice. Shut up, Glenn. Every time you open your piehole a new outrage dribbles out of it.

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Due to a lack of time (definitely not a lack of lies) we are forced to abandon the Lie of the Day feature. There are too many days when neither Quinn or I have time to update. It was a good idea, just no way to implement it.


8/9/10 Glenn claims that Obama has misled the public with the statement that he’s not that far removed from what most Americans are going through because his daughter’s college fund is not doing that well. He then goes on to “refute” this by saying that Obama prefers arugula, plays basketball with Lebron James, sings with Paul McCartney, and his wife took a trip to Spain.

Well. Talk about grasping at straws. There are so many things wrong with this idiocy that I could write a book. Here’s the lie: Glenn Beck accused Obama of lying to America. (Oh, the irony). Let’s talk about the evidence. Arugula is in season right now, and we get it almost every time we pick up veggies at our CSA. This is not evidence of anything, it’ s as bogus as Bush’s broccoli snafu. The basketball game was for a wounded vet’s charity, the same type of thing that Beck claims he’s going to do with any proceeds from the August 28 rally. (This is a colossal lie that will be debunked at another time). If Obama is singing with Paul McCartney, that would be a big deal for McCartney, not Obama, wouldn’t it? Obama meets all kinds of celebrities and ultra rich people… why pick on Paul McCartney? And the Michelle Obama vacation… sheer nonsense. Michelle deserves a vacation just as much as anyone else does. She’s paying for it. She’s got Secret Service, tough bananas. That’s what we do with our public figures; all ex-Presidents and Vice Presidents have Secret Service around them for the rest of their lives. Why doesn’t somebody complain about the Secret Service protecting admitted war criminals like Bush and Cheney?

Out of touch, Glenn, you’ve got to be kidding. The salary of the President of the United States is $400,000 with a non-taxable travel allowance of $100,000. There’s a $50,000 expense account and $19,000 for entertainment. Can you do the math, Glenn? That’s $569,000 a year.

Glenn Beck, on the other hand, makes a reported $32 million a year for sitting on his chubby ass and making stuff up. He’s a serial liar and never has any responsibility for anything he says or does. Obama has his finger on the button, is trying to manage two wars and a failed economy left over from Bush, and he is on call 24/7.

Can you do the math, Mr. Genius? To quote you, Glenn, “DO THESE NUMBERS WORK OUT FOR YOU?” Glenn Beck, the guy who makes 56 times more than the President of the US for lying his piehole into a contorted mess, accusing Obama of being out of touch because he eats arugula. Pfffffffffffft.

8/10/10 – from 11/25/2009 radio show.

Because if you don’t stand up while you are losing those rights, as the government is growing in power, then, unfortunately, it becomes too late to stand up peacefully. How many times do I have to say? Peacefully. [unintelligible] Martin Luther King did. Was he anti-government? Well he sure took the government and turned it upside down now, didn’t he. He totally transformed the parties in this government. If you remember right it was Robert Byrd who was filibustering against the civil rights movement. Nobody really remembers that. If the government is going against the rights of the people, if the government in THIS country is violating the Constitution or re-interpreting the Constitution, it is not our right, it is our responsibility to speak out against it.

A parade of lies in this little 2 minute slice of Glenn. Let’s start from the end and go forward. First of all, the Constitution is a living document that has been interpreted by courts and amended by Congress and the people since the day it was adopted. This is not some evil plot against the people, it’s the way our system was designed to function.

Glenn always talks about Big Government as being synonymous with taking away people’s rights. They are not. Also, he never, EVER says specifically what rights are being taken away, who is taking them, and how this has affected anyone. He lies about this issue continuously.

Yes, Glenn, we remember that Robert Byrd filibustered against the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Later in his life he called his race-based politics “the biggest mistake” he ever made, repudiated racism, and became a champion for civil rights. This is well-documented by his voting record. People can change, can’t they? Or if they can’t, doesn’t that mean that you’re still a coke-snorting, foul-mouthed, alcoholic shock jock with a vile mind and delusional world view? (Actually, Glenn is still most of those things and some suggest that he hasn’t gotten off drugs… I don’t believe he has.)

Glenn’s comparison of himself to Dr. Martin Luther King is an insult to human intelligence. Dr. King was fighting for civil rights against institutionalized race-based discrimination. Glenn Beck is fighting at imaginary conspiracy theories that he makes up as he goes along. Dr. King’s memory is respected and loved by nearly all Americans and there is a national holiday in remembrance of his life. Glenn Beck will be remembered as a crackpot, lying, SOB who took advantage of his Freedom of Speech to put 10 hours of lies and character assassinations on the national media every week. Glenn, you’re not only a pig, you’re an idiot. Don’t expect the rest of us to fall for it, because we’re not.

8/11/10 – from 3/17/2010: Beck blames the “progressives” for rotting the country from within.

Don’t worry. The only way to destroy America is to rot it from the inside — collapse our system from the inside. It’s got to be one of us that brings us to our knees.

Progressives — progressives are the ones that say you’ve got to rot America from the inside. You have to be inside in order to bring her down. It has been the plan the whole time. Make progress — baby steps. Well, progress from where to what? From the Constitution to a democracy. We’re not a democracy.

So now that it’s happening, why is America surprised? They’ve been clear for a hundred years. Radical progressives are infecting America! By deceiving unsuspecting people on their true intentions!

Progressives are not rotting anything. The progressives were the ones who stood up to unchecked corporate power in the 1890s and said “ENOUGH”. The people Glenn Beck represents have gradually restored the power to corporations over the years, culminating with the Supreme Court decision on January 21st in Citizens United that clears the road for corporations to have free speech rights. Now you and I work for companies who can take the profits off of our labor and use them to elect candidates who will work against labor of all types, from the factory floor through the accounting and engineering departments all the way up to department heads. Expect to be working more hours for less money.

But back to the alleged “progressive rot”. Progressives gave us the middle class, the living wage, workplace safety, scientific management, woman’s right to vote, and the labor union movement which has sadly been in steep decline since Ronald Reagan declared war on unions. These “progressive” achievements, along with many others, made it possible for the US economy to function at the level needed to compete and also tool up to provide war materiel for WWII. The modern progressive movement seeks to counter the influence and power of lobbyists and big business.

Unfortunately the Democratic party has been pulled to the right by the 24/7 right wing noise machine’s effect on public opinion. They continuously state lies, and then when they get busted nobody issues any correction, they just stop repeating it for a while. Then they start up again. Politicians realize that any phrase, any slip of the tongue, any vote could be made the topic of a Fox News “scandal”, where each employee feeds more outrageous versions of the lie to each other until it just disappears.

The real story of Progressives, past and present, won’t be heard on Glenn Beck’s show. He has just chosen them to be a foil to use for his crackpot conspiracy theories.

8/12/10 from July 8 radio show: Glenn claims that the recess appointment of Donald Berwick to the post of “Medicare/Medicaid Czar” was done because “not because of the Republicans but because the Democrats didn’t want him, either. Why? Because the guy is a massive socialist, talks about any good healthcare system must, quoting, must, must be redistributive in nature. Redistribute the wealth.” OK. First lie. There is no way of knowing who opposed Berwick because the vote was never held. Where did Glenn get his information? From the University of I Don’t Know? Second lie. Saying that a healthcare funding program must redistribute wealth doesn’t make you a socialist, it makes you a realist. The plain fact is that the reason why we have uninsured people by the millions is that insurance is out of their financial reach. Where the hell does Glenn think the money to pay for poor people’s medical care is going to come from, the Mormons? Third lie. Recess appointments are commonplace and are a hardball tool given to the Executive Branch to cut though difficult and messy appointments. No matter WHO Obama nominated for this position it would have been made into a political circus by the GOP, who have stated their policy bluntly: To oppose every law, motion, appointment, and action made by the Democrats from the White House on down.

8/13/10 – from 7/29/10 – GLENN BECK, HOST: We’re talking tonight about the Weather Underground manifesto written in 1969 by these guys.

This is Bill Ayers. This is Bernadine Dohrn, his wife. And this is Jeff Jones. They all are in and around the president.

First off, the Weather Underground has been disbanded and defunct since 1973. Secondly, the WU never had any major impact on American policy, foreign or domestic, other than whatever effect they had on the US pulling out of Viet Nam.

None of these people are or ever have been “in and around the President”. That is just a complete fabrication, a false premise upon which Beck spins 2 hours of phony baloney conspiracy theory that makes no sense whatsoever. Bill Ayers’ alledged association with Obama has been totally debunked so I’m not even going to bother with that one. Bernardine Dohrn has zero connection with Obama as well. Jeff Jones lives in New York. None of these three people have any connection with public policy, Obama, or radical underground organizations.

Since you can’t prove a negative, I’m going to turn this around. If anyone has proof that those three people are “in and around the President”, prove it. I want WH visitors list, a photo, emails, memos, whatever. Secondly, I want you to prove that any of those people has current ties with any radical underground organization that is illegally working against the US government.

You can’t. FAIL.


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Some people have posted that they don’t see any lies on this page, only opinions. If you haven’t actually read through the 20 pages in the Scribd Excel spreadsheet below, please save yourself the embarrassment by reading the spreadsheet carefully before you make that assertion.

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Glenn Beck’s War on “Progressives”

On 7/12, Glenn and Stu(ge) got wind of a bombing attack on the wife of a minor oil company exec, Vennie Wolf. Beck said that of course it would have to be “Progressives” who did it, in fact the title of the segment is

Progressives MO — intimidate & scare

I think it’s time for the progressive community to stop playing footsie with this jerkoff and start letting him get what he deserves. If you see Beck being covered in media OUTSIDE of Faux or other right wing nut job sites like Drudge, please email me a link:

I will get in touch with the manager if possible and find out WTF they are doing feeding Beck’s chump operation with factoids to hang falsehoods upon. “Oh, I read about it in the Dallas Gazzoo. They’re a very highly respected newspaper blab blab blab.” You get the idea… we can work towards putting a stop to it and as Americans who care about truth we should.


I updated the spreadsheet today; I apologize for still not doing the spreadsheet updates more frequently but I have been busy with students and clients and need to keep with it for the short term. However, since Senator Robert Byrd died, there’s been a meat grinder of lies coming out of Glenn Beck so I want to just assure you that he’s lying when he says:

“I’m not here to judge him”
“Let this complete the record of Sen. Byrd.”
“… we will reclaim the civil rights moment. We will take that movement because we were the people that did it in the first place”
… or any comparison he makes to Dr. Martin Luther King, the origin and players in the civil rights movement, the “rights” being taken away by “the government” and many other topics along the civil rights track.

If you are not aware of the threat that OathKeepers, a crackhead self-proclaimed ‘protector’ of our Constitution, poses to America, you need to get educated. I will be putting up a page for secret radical militant groups. In the meantime you should take a moment and use these resources…

These people must be ferreted out and removed from police and military duties. They represent about 1% of active military and police forces, so the 99 of you in your group of 100 know what to do.


I have debunked this WHOPPER from a rant Glenn had on January 9.2008 that started out about John Edwards (no, not his sex scandal, that wasn’t out yet). John Edwards was giving his stump speech in which he stated that the middle class is disappearing. This is a provable fact, a fact supported by census data that shows the median income in the US declining. I am working up an organized set of data to show this (census site is slow, must be jammed with TeaBaggers trying to throw a wrench into the system). Glenn goes into a rage about “Sally Muckenfutch, little girl with the finger for an eye that can’t pick her own nose.” (Nobody could ever convince me that Glenn beck is NOT an asshole after that remark).

Then Glen drops this A-bomb of lies:

But the percentage in the lower class — now, this is where it gets weird. This is where you would have to pay attention and not be giving a stump speech some place. The percentage in the lower class over the last 30 years remains unchanged. So in other words, there’s the same number of poor people in America that there was 30 years ago but how is the middle class disappearing? Well, the percentage of people making over $100,000 a year has doubled from 12% to 24%. That means the entire decline of middle class is constituted of people moving up into the upper class, not down to the lower class.

So, it’s simple, see? The reason why the middle class is going away is because we’re all getting RICH! LOL I found this one by accident, and will have complete data showing what a PUTZ can do with a microphone shortly.

Glenn Beck is walking the line. He is encouraging sedition. He is challenging the legitimacy of the US Government. He is inciting violence.

This is a place he should have never gone. I am working on a new page, Glenn Beck – Domestic Terrorist and will post it as soon as it’s ready.

Now that health care reform is signed into law, the filthy, destructive, outright lies that Glenn Beck has been pushing to scare people into running like a spooked herd of animals will begin to implode. Some of these lies will be debunked immediately and some will just take a little time to be proven out.

So… here’s a list of my favorites that you can look forward to see blow back right into Beck’s dumbfounded-looking face.

*** Health care reform is a socialist plot to take over the government
*** Health care reform is a government takeover of the health care system
*** Health care reform is government control over 1/6 of the nation’s economy
*** Health care reform will kill your children, your grandparents, and/or you
*** Health care reform will use taxpayer dollars to fund abortions
*** Health care reform will cause doctors to quit their practice
*** Health care reform will cause people to stop wanting to become doctors
*** Health care reform will cause small businesses to fail, close, or stop offering health insurance to their employees
*** Health care reform will cause rationing of health care
*** Health care reform is reparations for slavery
*** Health care reform will cause Republicans to lose their health care
*** Health care reform will destroy the existing Medicare system (which should be destroyed anyway)

I’m sure you can come up with more. Discuss.

11/16/09 Apture is working GREAT as a way to easily use an Excel spreadsheet in a web page. I would highly recommend it! The documentation is a hard to navigate but once you get started it’s very quick and easy. I may use it to link to some other content; I’m starting to see more of this on the web.


This page needs A LOT of work, and YOU CAN HELP. If you know of a Glenn Beck lie that’s not already debunked here, or have an assertion he made that you want fact-checked, please let me know! You can use the comments or if you prefer, email them to me.

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  1. You should put the Glenn Beck crying videos on here =P

    p0tNo Gravatar

    27 Oct 09 at 7:57 am

  2. Ha ha your a tool and your attempt to discredit anyone is futile.

    wankstaNo Gravatar

    27 Oct 09 at 8:27 am

  3. Look, wanker, I hate to be disagreeable but I have to say that I actually am discrediting Beck already.

    If you examine the small collection of lies I’ve accumulated to date it’s quite obvious that I’ve established a few things. First, Glenn Beck is delusional or is portraying someone who is delusional. His conspiracy theories don’t stand to the slightest examination, as they are full of logical leaps, stunning outright lies, and John Bircher dogma. Second, Glenn Beck is a phony. Look at his Vapo-Rub crying. Look at his phony Mormonism, which is disgusting to real Mormons unless they share his Cleon Skousen crapology.

    I guess anyone who would post “your a tool” is too vapidly mind-numbed to even understand a word of this post, so I’m posting this to others who follow this site.

    You can have your own opinions (“your a tool”) but you can’t have your own facts (“attempt to discredit anyone is futile”). No, it’s not futile, it actually exists, the discredit is real, and it’s being propagated through our culture.

    If only basic English could be propagated through your thick skull.

    adminNo Gravatar

    27 Oct 09 at 8:55 am

  4. Wanksta, 2003 called and 50 Cent wants his song title back.

    p0tNo Gravatar

    27 Oct 09 at 9:12 am

  5. [...] may check back often to my page Glenn Beck Lies, where I will debunk his statements with the plain truth, an element that is completely lacking [...]

  6. You obviously fail to do your homework though i doubt this reply will stay up long… Wilson and the FDR era was the firsts to coin the term Czar not the media being lazy see which is exactly what the position still is today – someone apointed not elected into power Obama isn’t doing anything that Bush wasn’t doing he is simply doing it faster – I never knew the hope and change you left wing nut jobs were hoping for was bush on steroids.

    “Glenn Beck claims that Van Jones is a Communist Black Nationalist” – Van Jones in his own words explained that he has come to the realization that as a more effective means an end use less extreme actions aka the green movement to push his extreme fundamentals. thats not a GB quote its Van Jones himself…

    Honestly, I admire what you are trying to do here I’d just suggest instead of generic slandering try to fight specific facts with facts Example – Beck pointed out Anita Dunn’s Mao reference to which she responded she was “just kidding” so to disprove the ‘just a joke’ theory he dug up another Anita Dunn quote to make it quite clear she was being serious. All I see here is some misguided info on czars and a few beck quotes that have no furhter thought (though i guess you are saying it should stand out for itself?) likewise Anita’s “just kidding” response was a laughable defense to her first Mao love reference… beck pulling up more ammo was just the final nails in the coffin – the same approach he used on Van Jones ;)

    DerrickNo Gravatar

    27 Oct 09 at 10:17 pm

  7. Who coined the term “czar” is not relevant to the argument of what it actually means, but since you want to go there I will entertain your distraction for a moment. The government is filled with appointed officials who serve at the pleasure of the President. This is a political fact that has resulted in criminals being placed into very high positions. Who started it or who coined it has no effect whatsoever on what it is. Consider Bernie Kerik for example, who was Guilianni’s Chief of Police and could have been appointed “Homeland Security Czar” if it weren’t for the crimes that came out during his congressional approval process. Now it’s true that this is a cabinet position so congress had oversight. But nonetheless, it was a purely political appointment, such as putting Mike Brown as “FEMA Czar”, or Undersecretary of Emergency Preparedness and Response. You see, the fact that RWNJ like yourself don’t “get” is that “czar” is a reference to socialism that doesn’t last long in full daylight. There is no socialism connection for the usage of the term, and if you even had a couple of firing synapses you would know that the “Czar” of Russia was not a socialist at all. The Czars were imperialist royalty, you silly little boy. So you see, you’re peeing your diapers all about something that doesn’t even exist, except as the delusion held forward by monkey children like yourself who can’t hold up their end of a political discussion with a crutch.

    Glenn Beck quote on Van Jones from his 9/9/09 radio show:

    Communism, radicalism, black nationalism, racism is not something you just tolerate or don’t endorse. Those are the things that this administration must reject.

    This isn’t a victory, this is a diversion. I’m not going to play their game. This isn’t about me and Van Jones, even if that’s what they want to make it. This is about taking Obama at his word when he said to judge him by the people he surrounds himself with.

    Beck CLEARLY calls Jones a communist black nationalist. He’s talking about Gibbs’ statement on Jones’ resignation. Now as I have updated EARLIER today, Jones was a member of STORM, which dissolved in 2002. He released a book in 2008 which contains clearly capitalist ideas. So please spare yourself from trying to look like an authority on some topic and then just coming off like a chump.

    You seem to be laboring under the misconception that Beck nailed Anita Dunn. Please RE-READ the material on my website regarding this misconception. Dunn was interim WH Communications Director and was scheduled to leave at the end of this year BEFORE the truth was let out about Faux News. Beck had nothing to do with it.

    I agree with you that some of the Obama Administration members have been sloppy in what they’ve said. However, that doesn’t make them Maoists. You pointing it out doesn’t make you brilliant, either. It just makes you someone who is paying attention, which is why I will leave your comment up. I admire people who pay attention, and you are welcome to comment here, even though I will probably disagree with you about your conclusions. Especially if they are about anything having to do with my research methods. Shit, I have a life outside this website, I have things I HAVE to do. If I believe something is substantiated, it gets put up. I don’t have time to parse words, that’s for a few WONKs that end up in cadres. :-)

    If you would like to HELP me with this project, I can use all the help I can get. Email me your thoughts at or continue to post.

    adminNo Gravatar

    28 Oct 09 at 7:37 am

  8. To me it seems as though the title is not the problem to begin with. I don’t care if you call them czars, or secial envoys’ or whatever you want. The issue lies with the President surrounding himself with radicals. he said during his campain that if you want to know about him look at those he surrounds himself with. We are seeing them. Not a pretty thing. Before name calling how about we exercize the skill of active listening not just hearing. There is a difference and if you cannot figure out what meakes listening and hearing different, I feel sorry for you.

    JeremyPRrepNo Gravatar

    28 Oct 09 at 8:51 am

  9. I agree with you 100% that the title isn’t the problem. The reason why it made it onto my website is that Glenn Beck has made it a problem by phony scaremongering. Glenn Beck has tried to conjure up phantoms of socialism from the term “czar” because it’s associated with Russia. What Beck does not tell you is that a “czar” was anything BUT socialist. Czars had imperial power and that authoritarian, imperialist rule is RIGHT WING, not socialist.

    Now we go on to disagreements. You say that Obama has surrounded himself with radicals. I say that’s a lie. Presidents get to appoint people to positions of power, and they have real titles and real job descriptions. I laugh when Beck or anyone calls Obama’s appointees “radicals”. Look, even Van Jones, who was a member of STORM, a commie front group, wasn’t “radical” by the time Obama appointed him. People can change their politics. Beck has made a lot of noise about Anita Dunn and Ron Bloom being “Maoists” because they mentioned Mao in a speech. WTF? Does that make you a Maoist, to say that Mao got something right once in a while? How close-minded do you get?

    This brings me to your last topic, hearing/listening. As a proud socialist I can tell you that your side does a pretty bad job of hearing/comprehending. You, as a group, are very poor critical thinkers who take the most asinine mumbo-jumbo from people like Beck and Limbaugh and think you are being “educated” about government and politics. Puh-LEEESE. Get a book, sit down, read something once in a while. Glenn Beck is a high school graduate dry drunk shock jock who joined up with the Mormons so he could network with their money machine. He’s a uninformed as you can get. He has guests on his show who are total cranks, wankers, and shills for corporate interests. So please, please, PLEASE try to develop some critical listening skills.

    By the way, the reason why I don’t defend Obama as a general rule on this website is that I didn’t vote for him. So if you make anti-Obama comments I really don’t care, as long as I think they have merit. Saying that he’s surrounding himself with radicals doesn’t have merit. I know radicals, and I’m not seeing them in government.

    Thanks for your comment, Jeremy.

    adminNo Gravatar

    28 Oct 09 at 10:02 am

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  11. Actually Derrick your own link states it was the New York Times in 1926 that first used the term Czar. Nowhere in your link does it say where and who used the term Czar for Baruch.

    Bob RossNo Gravatar

    23 Nov 09 at 3:20 pm

  12. What is truly mindless about Beck and what I presume must be his low IQ undereducated listeners is that Czar does not refer to a communist or a socialist. A Czar is was a monarch.

    This may seem like a small point but it is not. it indicates that the people making arguments against Czars? in government (who have no legislative power)are fools.

    I have also heard the Glenn Beck crowd, ignorant as they are, make a connection between Czar and Caesar.

    So, we are dealing with people who are sentimental, superstitious, and stupid.

    Stonry CurtisNo Gravatar

    10 Jan 10 at 2:03 am

  13. I would feel sorry for some of them, as some are so ignorant, but they’re so damned nasty that it’s hard. Also, all I have to do is think about what’s gone on in this nation for the last 30 years, and the last 8 in particular, to snap myself out of it.

    We’re in a mess, and the selective amnesia of how we got here is truly astounding. A lot of them are getting their backs up about Big Government and Big Brother stuff, I want to know where the hell were they when the Bush Administration took away habeas corpus, the 4th Amendment, pissed on their duty to obey any law, either Constitutional or code? Where were these Constitution-wagging idiots when Bush called it “just a piece of paper”? Where?

    If you want to find out first hand, you should get yourself an account over at the 9.12 Project website and start asking them. I can’t tell if Glenn Beck has any direct control over the site; however, it is his “project” and the site operator is cherry-picking news that makes Obama and Democrats look bad. Not that there isn’t some validity to it; I am no great fan of Obama, but our system isn’t a monarchy and we have become hugely over-focused on the Presidency. We ought to be working to curtail the Executive Branch overreach, but we have to clean up Congress, too.

    I think some of the people at 9.12 are serious-minded folks who have run out of places to turn. I can’t blame them for that; I used to think that all we had to do was elect enough Democrats and everything would be fine. WTF was I thinking? The Dems are just a kinder, gentler brand of corruption. So I understand everyone’s frustration, and I understand how Beck’s over-simplification of complex problems appeals to those who are in fear and are too busy or too stupid to pay attention. So to those people at 9.12, I say this: try to do some critical examination of what Beck is actually saying. Write down the facts he asserts and check them. Try to understand how he makes huge leaps of logic and reaches conclusions that are 100% bogus. Watch his guest list carefully; see how many of them have peer respect and you’ll find that he has lined up (largely) a bunch of lying crackpots.

    Well, thanks for your post, SC.

    adminNo Gravatar

    10 Jan 10 at 9:56 am

  14. admin….you are wasting your time and energy.
    Everything you have listed here as “lies” some believe are difference in “opinion” I say it is truth!
    LMAO=at you!

    JoanNo Gravatar

    29 Jan 10 at 6:27 pm

  15. Really, Joan, you are a pathetic person. You honestly don’t know the difference between a = and a @ sign, do you?

    What kind of a moron do you have to be to create the post you just laid like a rotting turd on my doorstep? The kind of moron that says “Neener neener neener”, that’s what kind.

    You fail to rebut any one of the lies that I have PROVEN Beck told. That’s PROVEN, not IN MY OPINION. All you can say is that you believe them.

    That makes you not only a subject for ridicule, but also a Becktard.

    I can’t keep up with Beck’s lies so I haven’t updated this in a while, but when I do, I’m sure it will double in size from last November. That means you will be twice as much of a fukkin’ idiot than you are already. You’re just a bundle of joy, Joan, I’ll bet your mom would be really proud if she knew she popped out one of the lowest life forms on the planet. Is your father even human?


    adminNo Gravatar

    30 Jan 10 at 3:13 pm

  16. This is lame. Even if these were not marginal on the truth-o-meter, there are so few listed as to be laughable. Beck is on every day with that many ops for failure. Is this all you can produce?


    DonkeyhotayNo Gravatar

    1 Feb 10 at 11:54 am

  17. Actually, I haven’t had time to update the site since Thanksgiving due to none of your fucking business.

    But I will tell you that each one of those lies are debunked with facts, and if you don’t believe it you are living in an alternate universe.

    What’s really “Lamo” is your term “Lamo”. Are you trying to speak fake Spanish or something?

    Never mind, why don’t you just snuggle back in with your Mormon fuck Glenn Beck, who, despite your existence, still maintains the crown of King of Fools. But keep trying, he’s going down sooner than you could ever imagine… stay tuned. I’ve heard things that will blow your mind. (In your case, small blow).

    adminNo Gravatar

    1 Feb 10 at 7:52 pm

  18. I was referred to this site by a friend. He made a comment about Glenn Beck being a liar among other things, which I have heard many people say. I have also heard many people speak in support of Glenn Beck. So over the past couple of days (not long enough to form an opinion) I have been researching him, his political views, reading sites against him and sites in favor of him, watching episodes of his show etc. Although I do have my own ideas about this particular issue (communist czars etc), I am going to refrain from posting them on your site, as it seems that anyone who doesn’t share your opinions gets blown-off and called an mindless idiot and such. I think its great what you are doing, however. I strongly believe that more people ( whatever they believe and whomever they support) should try to post facts etc. defending them, and attempt to inform the rest of society. We cannot rely on the media, nor most websites, to tell us the truth. Its all about comparisons and taking into consideration what people with opposing viewpoints have to say. A couple of these people did though deserve to be flamed, their comments were just plain insults. One final comment, @Stonry Curtis: “I have also heard the Glenn Beck crowd, ignorant as they are, make a connection between Czar and Caesar.” …the word Czar (or Tzar) is derived from the name Caesar, as was the word Kaiser (German) as well as the Norse king, Kjárr.

    Jinx WNo Gravatar

    16 Feb 10 at 12:13 pm

  19. Yikes! Bully for you for being able to watch his shows! I can barely stand to watch the clips.

    Look, I’m sorry you feel that way about posting something contrary to what you think I might like. The people who I’ve flamed here wrote things to me that they deserved to be flamed for. I’m not inclined to just beat people over the head.

    I haven’t been writing on this site much due to poor health. I have been meaning to write my next article in the series on Glenn Beck’s battle for the soul of the TeaBaggers. If you have spent much time looking around on my little poorly-maintained corner of the internet, you may have gathered that I have little patience for blatant exaggeration, selective quoting and memory loss, character assassination by innuendo, and outright lies. Those are just a few of the things you will find packed into every 15 minutes of every Glenn Beck show.

    Some people like to be lied to for entertainment. I guess if someone keeps telling you that your fucked-up fantasy world is the real world, on some level it becomes real, or more real, at least for you. That would describe the typical Beckerhead fucktard. If a giant vacuum cleaner came out of outer space and sucked up Glenn Beck and all his fans, it would be a net gain for America and the world.

    Thanks for your comment, I promise I will not flame you, at least not very much.


    adminNo Gravatar

    16 Feb 10 at 5:46 pm

  20. You seem to have a real hearty hatred for Glenn Beck. I watch his show from time to time and he has repeatedly stated that you should not take his word on any of it but rather, do your own research. I don’t take anybody’s word for it these days so I have looked into many of his statements. Looking at yours as well and it appears that you have simply given your opinion on many of the “Debunkings” I noticed that you are a self avowed socialist (see your own statement above) I don’t expect too many socialists to agree with Glenn Beck on anything. I do however expect that the constitution is upheld as it was originally written. It is not up for “reinterpretation” as many would suggest. If you were to actually watch a couple of Glenn Beck episodes, You too would hear him say repeatedly “Check it out for yourself – Do your own research”

    RobNo Gravatar

    26 Feb 10 at 12:49 pm

  21. Actually, it’s difficult to watch an ass-clown with his head exploding day after day whose primary purpose in life is to make money by spreading outright lies, crackpot conspiracy theories, and innuendo. You know, stuff like Obama is going to arm AmeriCorps with a budget bigger than the Pentagon budget and use them as his private secret police force. Or that OnStar is a government plot to spy on you. Or that Van Jones is a Black Nationalist who spent time in prison. You know, those kind of lies.

    I already do my research, I don’t need Glenn Beck telling me to do it. If anything, he should stop CLAIMING he does all of his own research because he’s a liar. Nobody there bothers to do any research that’s not directly related to information that could be construed to smear Obama or somebody in his administration. Beck has misstated so many facts on his show that I can’t keep up with him. I usually do a fact check on his lies about once a month and update my spreadsheet. What’s really funny, though, is when he adopts his professorial posture with the glasses, the chalkboard, and the pile of big books he claims to have read. He must have been high on coke when he read them, because I’ve never heard anything that he’s said that didn’t come out of a Cleon Skousen book. If you don’t know who Cleon Skousen is, you should really look it up.

    I hope that your straw man argument that “many people” would suggest that the “Constitution is open to reinterpretation” is not supposed to convey any meaning, because it doesn’t mean anything. Seriously, how can you make a statement like that with a straight face? There have been hundreds, or even thousands, of well-researched scholarly books on what the Constitution means. There have been dozens of Supreme Court decisions about what it means. So if you’re one of those people who runs around waving a Constitution and claiming that you know what’s in it, maybe you ought to do a bit of research on your own.

    Glenn Beck is an opportunist. He is cashing in on the fear and racism that runs long, wide and deep through the middle of America. I truly hope that if you are one of his followers you can figure that out.

    adminNo Gravatar

    26 Feb 10 at 2:49 pm

  22. Susan, you should seek some help because you can’t hold up your end of the argument with a crutch. You keep changing the subject.

    You are the person who made this personal when you told me that my language made me seem less intelligent. Remember?

    If not, just look back a couple of posts.

    You failed.

    You failed to prove that Van Jones is a radical.

    You failed to prove that William Ayers is a radical. You also failed to show that there is any connection between Ayers and Obama that would even be called casual.

    You failed to answer my replies about Reverend Wright, other than to parrot back one phrase from one sermon he gave.

    In shourt, FAIL.

    Nobody gives a rat’s ass what you watch, read, or, by now, I would assume, “think”. You’ve proven yourself to be a functional illiterate, in that you cannot follow the stream of a discussion in text. You also cannot help yourself from turning the argument away from the facts and into a stream of personal attacks and innuendo. Do you work for Faux News, by any chance?

    Glenn Beck is a serial liar and your characterizations of what he says as “exaggerations” is bullshit. You cannot possibly be a critical thinker and come to the conclusion that Beck is remotely connected with reality. Which of these things is not like the other? Hitler, Mussolini, Pol Pot, Progressives. Did you get “Progressives”? Probably not if you are a Glenn Beckerhead, which you appear to be.

    Did you get my goat? Hmmm, let me think about that for a minute. BZZZZT. Another FAIL, Susan. All you have done is managed to make yourself look like an idiot. You said I don’t respect points of view from people who listen to his show. Not exactly, Susan. I don’t respect points of view from people who can’t think critically enough to know that GOP talking points repeated every day by Glenn Beck are not only not true, they’re LUDICROUS.

    The left is angry, that’s one thing you picked up on. We’re not just “angry liberals” that can be lumped into a group. Some of us are outraged by the assault on human decency, the Constitution, and the common American citizen presided over by the man you undoubtedly voted for twice. This country is in the midst of a number of crises brought on by decades of center-right and right-wing abuses on the population. If you look outside your window and see people in the street carrying guns, are they going to be liberals or TeaBaggers? Hah! Gotcha! Liberals believe in the processes that have been presented to us, we believe that there needs to be a sea change in our government, but we don’t believe that it’s going to be done through revolution. I have never met any liberal in the last 50 years who has suggested that we need to get into the streets with guns. So where did you pull up that factoid?

    Well, you pulled it out from between your generous buttocks, Susan. Again you FAIL, because you project your disinformation over the discussion like Union Carbide in Bhopal. You’re a failure, not only because you’re wrong, but because you’re ignorant. For example, you cite NPR as something you listen to because most people of your right-wingnut bias think that it’s “liberal”. NPR hasn’t been liberal since the middle of Clinton’s first term when Newt Gingrich’s Congress threatened to pull the plug on CPB funding unless they turned right. Of course, you wouldn’t know that because you don’t pay attention, so you just keep spewing that you listen to NPR like it’s some kind of ameliorating explanation as to why you’re not a complete righty asshole. FAIL.

    I think I’ve about had it with your bullshit, Susan. I’m tired of having to sift through a shit stew of your babbling personal attacks and lies. In fact, I think liberals are really tired of right wing bullshit in general. We’re tired of 24/7 right wing lie machines funded by an Australian immigrant opportunistic pirate. We’re tired of the greatest weatlh redistribution orchestrated by a government in the history of the world which has pushed 50 per cent of the nation’s wealth up to the top 1% of obscenely wealthy individuals. We’re tired of wars that don’t need to be fought. We’re tired of the GOP trying to use wedge issues to get people to vote against their own best interests. We’re tired of simplistic, moronic, seemingly endless repetition of inaccurate and dangerous lies by people like you.

    You’ve got one more failure coming.

    You’re banned from this site.

    adminNo Gravatar

    1 Mar 10 at 6:07 am

  23. It’s not the interpretive lies that are telling. It’s the out and out lies that give are the true measure of of one’s integrity. Two examples-Beck stated that he saw Barbara Walters and, I think Whoopee, getting special treatment in seating on the train in New York, which is not allowed.The idiot must have forgotten that he was slated to be on “The View” a week later.The “girls’ damn near had him crying after he admitted he was cordial to Mrs. Walters and was just sensationalizing. He admitted there was no truth to what he reported on his radio show.The next day he then repeated his lie. No interpretation here, he admitted on National TV he made the whole thing up.That is the nth degree of loss of integrity.An aside-Neal Cavuto during a tea party rally in Atlanta was filmed by an independant station asking his assistant how many people were estimated to be at the rally. He was told-about 5000 ( the expected amount). He immediately stood up, and on Fox News, said that there were at least 2 to 3 times that number there. This is simply epgregious lying without apology on straight “news”. How can anyone trust them?

    Jim MooreNo Gravatar

    7 Mar 10 at 10:26 am

  24. The outright lies that Beck spews like a Tommy gun are the ones that I find puzzling. I think he has adopted the hubris of the GOP, namely, that people who listen to him are too stupid to know fact from fiction.

    Rush Limbaugh has been making a living in the lying business for years. Beck and Limbaugh are cut from the same cloth; they both demonize liberals, they both keep pushing the GOP to the right, they both lie incessantly, and they both spin up wild conspiracy theories that can’t possibly be true and then they just ignore them when proven false or they don’t happen. It’s show biz, the worst perversion of opinion journalism I’ve ever seen. And I lived during Dr. Carl McIntyre’s time and listened to his radio show.

    In my opinion, the fix to all of this lying and smearing is to reinstate the Fairness Doctrine. I would like to see a version where anyone who is attacked by some media personality would have the legal right to have equal time to defend themselves at no cost to them. I believe this would be great entertainment and it would keep these gum-flapping bastards honest.

    Thanks for the comment.


    adminNo Gravatar

    7 Mar 10 at 3:27 pm

  25. Thanks for all you do! The once or twice I was awestruck enough to watch Glenn Beck, I came to the conclusion that he actually believes what he said. To you paranoid tea-bagger types, no I am not a socialist, I believe in the right to keep and bear arms, I am pro-life (although I include access to health care in that view) and have worked for the last 34 years of my life supporting myself and my family. Not everybody who believes those things are whack-job tea baggers, nor are those of us who are able to identify Glenn Beck as a blow hard fear monger socialists.
    My father in law claims that 70% of car dealers forced to close were Republican. I argued that the significance of that statistic can only be validated or disproved if we know how many car dealers were republican and how many democrat prior to the dealership closings. This just sounds like a Glenn Beck theory, and they are riveted to the False News Network. Do you have any information here?

    CherylNo Gravatar

    13 Mar 10 at 12:21 am

  26. Love the blog! We occasionally Beck watch just so we can see the chalkboards…and to watch him cry! It is hilariously funny and does remind me of those evangelists like Swaggert! I do wonder why people think he is so fabulous; he is a moron! He reminds me of those idiots at AA that are only there because they have to go for court reasons…they cry and say how they are going to quit drinking, but are the first ones out the door to go to $1 draft night! I wonder sometimes if he has fallen off the wagon again or has found crack!

    PBNo Gravatar

    8 Apr 10 at 6:08 pm

  27. You asked for suggestions and I just wanted to suggest Fact and Politifact. You probably already read these, but thought I’d suggest just in case. Fact debunks a lot of the political misinformation that is rampant in the news….of course, some of the more obscure crazy crap Beck spews will not be found there as it is to insane to even know where to start.

    KjhNo Gravatar

    8 Apr 10 at 7:26 pm

  28. was only seeing this one page of lies

    go to and search glenn beck they have multiple lies listed their.

    ariveriaNo Gravatar

    24 Apr 10 at 9:55 am

  29. Thank you for the hint, I will take you up on it.

    The Excel spreadsheet is 4 or 5 pages, I think… you can scroll. Just letting you know in case you didn’t see that.

    adminNo Gravatar

    24 Apr 10 at 1:17 pm

  30. Glenn Beck – Good Guy???
    I’ve noticed, via his FOX TV Show, Glenn Beck seems, at least as likely as not, concerned with the current state of America and it’s most recent adaptation of Plato’s treatise – ‘The Republic’ (circa 380 B.C.E., based on Socratic dialogue). Beck traverses what seem to be great lengths in order to inform us, while vigilantly questioning the status quo. However – “Such questioning as has been called ‘vital scepticism’ (a line of questioning necessary to the continuation of life – that being as we know it in this case – the American Republic) is but a device to avoid true questioning, and therefore [becomes] its very antithesis, [i.e.,] the ‘devil’ disguised as an ‘angel’ of light. [e.g., It's] a matter of words—words—words. You may write x for y in your equations, so long as you consistently write y for x. They [the real issues] remain unchanged—and unsolved. Is not all our [Beck's] ‘knowledge’ an example of this fallacy of writing one unknown for another, and then crowing [about it] like Peter’s cock? I picture the true sceptic as a man eager and alert, his deep eyes glittering like sharp swords, his hands tense with effort as he asks, ‘What does it [all] matter [or mean] (I’ve not heard Beck ask, nor, let alone, attempt to answer this question)?’ Under the whip of the clown God, our performing donkeys [i.e.,] the philosophers and men of science [today's media pundits], run round and round in the ring; they have amusing tricks; they are cleverly trained; but they get nowhere. Huxley pointed out the complex nature of this proposition, and that it was an enthyme (based on a three-part deductive argument) with the premiss ‘Omnes sunt, qui’ – ‘Cogitant Suppressed’ (resulting in a state, assumed by the inflicted target [us], of thoughtlessness or inconsideration of the complete position).” – Extrapolated excerpts from ‘The Soldier and the Hunchback’, March, 1909.

    1. Glenn Beck’s true function in this case is to splinter the Tea Party movement, by leading potential new-comers away from it’s original focus, which is to abolish the Federal Reserve and thus the Internal Revenue Service. He talks about everything under the sun except the real issue, which keeps our intent away from solving the one true problem with our system – The Federal Reserve (a Privately-owned Corporation)!! If you will notice, Beck never utters one word about what the FED has done to this Country, nor the real Tea Party movement to dismantle this terrible blood-sucking pyramid scheme. Via his extemporaneous banter, Beck has successfully employed the oldest trick in the book – ”Divide and Conquer”. It’s no wonder his handlers at FOX were willing to sign his $50 million deal – he’s very good at doing what he does. These same vampires, who own the FED, have controlling interest in every major media corporation on earth, thereby wielding supreme power over the hearts and minds of the people – with Glenn Beck being a key player in the U.S.A. Since Beck likes referencing our founding fathers, lets see what Benjamin Franklin had to say about the real reason for fighting the American Revolution – From the autobiography of Ben Franklin, as reported by Gertrude Coogan, in ‘Money Creators’: “…the inability of the colonists to get the power to issue their own money permanently out of the hands of George III and the international bankers was the PRIME reason for the Revolutionary War.” Here’s Ben Franklin answering a question about the booming economy of the young colonies: “That is simple. In the colonies we issue our own money. It is called Colonial Scrip. We issue it in proper proportions to the demands of trade and industry.” (Colonial Scrip had no debt or interest attached) BANK OF AMERICA, i.e., international bankers, saw that non-debt and interest-free scrip would keep America free of their influence, so by 1781, banker-backed Alexander Hamilton succeeded in starting the Bank of America. After a few years of “bank money”, the prosperity of “Colonial Scrip” was gone.

    2. Benjamin Franklin said, “Conditions were so reversed that the era of prosperity had ended and a depression set in to such an extent that the streets of the Colonies were filled with the unemployed!” Bank money was like our FED money. It had debt and interest attached. U.S. history has shown that currency with debt and interest attached creates depression. By 1790, Hamilton and his bankers had created a privately owned central bank, converting ”Colonial Scrip” (debt and interest-free) into interest bearing bonds, payable to the bankers. When Hamilton’s bank charter expired in 1811, the international bankers started the war of 1812. By 1816, another privately-owned U.S. bank was started with $35 million in assets – only $7 million of which was owned by the government. This bank lasted for 20 years. ANDREW JACKSON – A GREAT PRESIDENT! When the 1816 charter expired in 1836, Andrew Jackson vetoed its renewal. It was then that he made two famous statements: “The Bank is trying to kill me – but I will kill it!” Later he said: “If the American people only understood the rank injustice of our money and banking system – there would be a revolution before morning…” ABRAHAM LINCOLN – ANOTHER GREAT PRESIDENT! President Lincoln needed money to finance the Civil War, and the international bankers offered him loans at 24 – 36% interest. Lincoln balked at their demands, because he didn’t want to plunge the nation into such a huge debt. Lincoln approached Congress about passing a law to authorize the printing of U.S. Treasury Notes. Lincoln said “We gave the people of this Republic the greatest blessing they ever had – their own paper money to pay their debts…” Lincoln printed over 400 million in “Greenbacks” (debt and interest-free), and paid the soldiers, U.S. government employees, and bought war supplies. The international bankers didn’t like that. They wanted Lincoln to borrow the money from them, so that the American people would owe them tremendous interest on the loan. Lincoln’s solution made this seem ridiculous.

    3. Shortly after Lincoln’s death, the government revoked the Greenback law, which ended Lincoln’s debt-free, interest-free money. A new national banking act was enacted, and all money became interest bearing again. The late Thomas A. Edison explained the matter of issuing currency this way: “If our nation can issue a dollar bond (interest bearing), it can issue a dollar bill (interest-free). The element that makes the bond good makes a bill good also. The difference between the bond and the bill is that the bond lets money brokers collect twice the amount of the bond and an additional 20 percent, whereas the currency pays nobody but those who contribute directly in some useful way.” “It is absurd to say that our country can issue $30 million in bonds and not $30 million in currency. Both are promises to pay, but one promise fattens the usurers (interest collectors) and the other helps the people.” The FED is owned largely by foreign bankers who control Congress, the media, and our economy, through the power of monetary profits which they have generated via artificial debt. If we can convert U.S. Dollars, that are debt and interest-free, into debt and interest bearing currency, we can change it back just as easily. Both the media and the banking system will probably claim that such a change will cause hyper-inflation. The answer, however, can be found in history. Lincoln printed debt and interest-free Greenbacks (cash) to finance an entire war. With added production, you can add currency without having hyper-inflation. Lincoln proved it! JOHN F. KENNEDY – A PRESIDENT WITH VISION! On June 4th, 1963, President Kennedy issued Executive Order 11110. This Executive Order called for the issuance of new currency – the United States Note. At the time, $4,292,893 of this currency was put into circulation. This new currency was to be distributed through the U.S. Treasury and not the Federal Reserve System. Furthermore, it was to be issued debt and interest-free. Upon Kennedy’s assassination, this currency was withdrawn from circulation, never to be issued again.

    4. The media remained silent on how Kennedy would have eliminated the FED, thereby eliminating the debt and interest on our currency. Interest/debt-free United States Notes do not result in hyper-inflation as the media pundits (whores) and their masters (pimps) would have us believe. By issuing United States Notes, debt and interest-free, we have no re-payment to these bankers and therefore no income tax! Without income tax, people can buy more goods, resulting in added production and virtually no unemployment! The bankers want you to believe that we’ll have mass inflation if we change their system. This is only true if you add dollars to an economy without increasing production. Look at what happened in post World War I Germany. They merely printed money without increasing production. The result was inflation. Example: In the entire economy, if you only have 10 loaves of bread and only $10, each loaf would sell for $1. If you print another $10, you now have $20 and the 10 loaves, which now sell for $2 each. This inflation only happens if we don’t increase production. If we print $50 and bake 50 loaves, each loaf still sells for $1. As long as you monitor production and balance it with cash flow, inflation will not occur. Under the FED system, the price of bread has dramatically increased since 1913 (the year that the Federal Reserve Act was passed). Stop the FED, thus the income tax, and people will – have more money – buy more bread! If the income tax is abolished, YOU can spend your money, not Rockefeller and his BANKERS! YOU will have more bread, cars, and wealth! Someone will spend your money, it may as well be you! Right now, the only thing our income tax dollars are paying for (each year around $1 Trillion is collected via income tax!), is the interest on the national debt!! Under the FED system, when money is issued, we are charged the full face-value of that issued currency (which is backed by nothing! Bankers created it out of thin air!), which the FED claim as our principal debt, plus they charge us interest on top of that debt!! We blindly pay for each new dollar! Over and over again!!

    5. Who gets this money? The Private Bankers, to whom we have given control of our money! We should only pay for the paper, ink, and printing costs of our money, which is only a very small fraction of its face-value. Why should we give private bankers the right to print up money, free to them, then turn around and let them charge us debt plus interest, by exchanging our “free” money for their government bonds (”bondage”) which pays them at our expense?? A FED-like banking system has destroyed other governments. Clearly, the FED must be abolished before we’re demolished! Laws are already set in place to have a dictatorship when the economic crisis erupts (Marshal Law / Federal Emergency Management Act, or FEMA)!!

    Fact: The etymology behind what we today in the west would consider an innocuously ordinary, internationally dispersed banking practice called lending, is known within virtually every holy text throughout the world, including the Bible, as ‘usery’. Usery is generally categorized as a predatory type act, or ‘preying on those who are most vulnerable’. People within the banking and loan industry, however, more commonly refer to this practice as – writing a loan, or mortgage. The word ‘mortgage’ comes from the Latin conjunction – ‘morte-gage’, which in English literally means: ‘death-grip’. These ancient bloodlines (Khazarian), who have us in this terrible death-grip, will do anything to keep this secret from the people. Case in point, the Abraham Lincoln / John F. Kennedy assassinations. Ever wonder why and by whom the two were really assassinated? If so, please read on – about this SACRIFICIAL RITUAL:

    The names “Lincoln” and “Kennedy” each contain seven letters.
    Abraham Lincoln was elected to congress in 1846.  
    John F. Kennedy was elected to congress in 1946.

    6. Abraham Lincoln was elected President in 1860.
    John F. Kennedy was elected President in 1960.
    Lincoln’s Secretary’s name was “Kennedy”, and Kennedy’s Secretary’s name was “Lincoln”. Both Presidents were warned, by their Secretaries, not to attend their fateful engagements.
    Both Presidents’ wives had miscarriages while living in the White House.
    Both Presidents were particularly concerned with Civil Rights.
    Lincoln threatened ‘The Illuminati Agenda’ when he initiated a “bill” that he called “greenbacks” (printed currency), which would have rendered the U.S. Economy, AND THUS THE PEOPLE, free from the tyranny of European bankers.
    Kennedy threatened ‘The Illuminati Agenda’ when he initiated a “bill” (EO 11.110, 1963) that called for the dismantling of The Federal Reserve, which would have rendered the U.S. Economy, AND THUS THE PEOPLE, free from the tyranny of European bankers.
    Both Presidents were shot in the head by Southerners, on a Friday, in the presence of their wives.
    Both Presidents, who were from the North, were succeeded by Southerners named “Johnson”, who’s names contain 13 letters each.
    Andrew Johnson, who succeeded Lincoln, was born in 1808.
    Lyndon Johnson, who succeeded Kennedy, was born in 1908.
    Both assassins were known by their three names, which are each comprised of 15 letters.
    John Wilkes Booth, who assassinated  Lincoln, was born in 1839.
    Lee Harvey Oswald, who assassinated Kennedy, was born in 1939.

    7. Lincoln was assassinated in a theatre named ‘Ford’ (The Ford Theatre).
    Kennedy was assassinated in a car named ‘Lincoln’, which was built by ’Ford’ (The Ford Motor Company). After shooting Lincoln, Booth ran from a theatre and was later caught in a warehouse.
    After shooting Kennedy, Oswald ran from a warehouse and was later caught in a theater.
    Both Booth and Oswald were assassinated before their trials.
    A week before Lincoln was shot, he was in the small town of Monroe, Maryland.
    A week before Kennedy was shot, he was with the movie star, Marilyn  Monroe.

    Please – check this out:

    After watching this very informative documentary, please find out what you can do about this, by going to this website:

    extemporaneous1No Gravatar

    7 May 10 at 9:54 pm

  31. I started an answer to this post, AGAIN, and the doorbell rang.


    adminNo Gravatar

    9 May 10 at 6:32 pm

  32. Wow. Besides name calling, I didn’t get much from these comments. Glenn may turn out to be one of your best friends. Why would he put his life on the line to do this work without evidence? Do you think the Government should be able to operate with no oversight? Power corrupts and this administration proves it. Read, don’t just spew nasty remarks. Prove your points. It’s sad that America has become so divided,

    Glenn FanNo Gravatar

    20 May 10 at 1:05 pm

  33. Did you figure out how to use the spreadsheet? There are 16 pages of lies.

    I rather doubt that Glenn Beck and I could be friends. In any sense of the word. You see, I really hate people lying to me about public policy issues. You think he’s putting his life on the line? Why would you think that? Because he told you so? Do you understand the mental illness referred to as paranoid schizophrenia? Glenn has it. He has a persecution complex. He has ADD. Nobody is after Glenn for “telling the truth”. Why? Because he’s a LIAR.

    I operated an anti-Bush website for 8 years. The closest I ever got to being threatened was from somebody I pissed off in a chat forum. Bush never said a word, to me or to any of the hundreds of other ant-Bush sites.

    Do I think the government should operate without oversight? No. Obviously not. But if you believe that Glenn Beck is providing oversight, you are sadly mistaken. Think about this: During the Bush Administration, the US government attacked a sovereign nation, overthrew its lawfully elected government, and executed its lawfully elected president without provocation or real reason. Our government tortured, illegally detained prisoners, violated treaties, and where was Glenn Beck? Providing oversight? For that matter, where was Faux News? When George W. Bush decided that he could just ignore the Constitution and disobey laws passed by Congress by signing statements and Executive Orders, where was Beck and Faux? Where were YOU, for that matter? Out in the streets, I presume.

    You advised me to read. Please read all 16 pages of the lies spreadsheet on this page and then tell me that you think Glenn Beck is a truthful man who is providing oversight of the government. That’s HOGWASH, plain and simple. Glenn Beck himself has stated that he doesn’t have a political opinion, he’s just an entertainer. That’s a lie, too.

    Please get back to me after you read the spreadsheet, kitzy.

    adminNo Gravatar

    20 May 10 at 1:34 pm

  34. Wow-admin seems like kind of a PRICK after reading these posts-fairly quick to insult the intelligence of other posters,call names, AND deny the PROVEN FACTS. Really? Van Jones and Bill Ayers AREN’T radical socialists? That’s odd-they’ve ADMITTED as much in video AND in print.

    See you at the polls this year, Admin :) Be sure to bring your kool-aid.

    inzpektorNo Gravatar

    29 May 10 at 6:23 am

  35. Well, it’s easy to be a prick to fucktards like you who can’t even read English. Especially teensy-weensy-minded little opinionated blowhards that wouldn’t know the truth if it was wakkin’ their willie.

    “PROVEN FACTS”, eh? LOL prepare to be dissected and thrown in the trash, bug.

    There is nowhere in the lies spreadsheet or anywhere that I deny that Van Jones and Bill Ayers are “radical socialists”. So you are either wrong or lying. Why would you pick something that’s so easily dismissed? Because you’re a fucktard. People are going to think that I wrote your post so I’d have someone to trash.

    Do you believe that people can change? I do. If I didn’t believe people could change I wouldn’t bother with a website like this. People with a scintilla of intelligence can learn to read and reason instead of just react. Some people are really, really intelligent and they can change, too. That’s what happened to Bill Ayers and Van Jones. Bill Ayers used to be a Viet Nam protester. You remember Viet Nam, don’t you? That was the war that millions of Americans protested. The government finally caved in to public pressure and we pulled out of Viet Nam. Now Ayers an education prof at the University of Chicago. You know the charges against him as part of the anti-war group Weather Underground were dropped. You DO KNOW THAT, don’t you? So you know that he was never convicted of any crime?

    Do you think people can change? Van Jones was a member of STORM, a political revolutionary group that describes itself as “loosely Marxist”. Do you know what Marxism is? Probably not, I won’t bother to explain it to you because you’re obviously a ditz who has nothing better to do than make a complete ass out of yourself. STORM DISBANDED in 2002. Van Jones went on to be a civil rights activist, an author (best seller on green jobs), a member of the President’s cabinet (because of his activism and expertise in the field), recipient of NAACP award, a senior fellow at Center for American Progress. He also holds a joint appointment at Princeton University, as a distinguished visiting fellow in both the Center for African American Studies and in the Program in Science, Technology and Environmental Policy at the Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs.

    Now here’s something I know you’ve never thought about because you’re a dickhead. You use the word “radical” like it’s a bad thing. Fact is, every time we’ve made progress as a species it’s been because somebody with radical ideas implemented them. Do you think the Founders were more like radicals or more like GOPERs. (LOL) Do you think Abraham Lincoln’s proposal to end slavery wasn’t radical? How about Galileo and Copernicus? Radicals. Card-carrying, system-bucking, die-hard radicals, all of them. And YOU say “radical socialist” like it’s a bad thing.

    Well, sonny boy, socialism is all around you. Your streets, highways, fire and police departments, military, Medicare, ADFC, Medicaid, and the governmental systems of the rest of the free world are socialist. So WTF do I think about a two-bit puke like you who comes in here, accuses me of saying something I didn’t say, then tells me I’m to drink the kool-aid?

    Fuck you, asshole. Just what Jon Stewart said. You midget-brained retards better wrap your fucking thick skulls around this: America had plenty of time to see what you radical right wingnuts do to a nation over the last 50 years. You are the people that Eisenhower warned us about. You are the people that left Obama 2 unfinished wars, a legacy of torture, lawbreaking, corruption, corporate greed gone wild, and then you have the gall to tell me to drink kool-aid?

    LOL you insignificant speck, thanks for the entertainment you’ve provided. Yeah, I’ll be there in November, laughing my ass off while the TeaBaggers repeat NY23rd over and over all over the country. The most disaffected group of voters is the GOP, you are a minority party that’s falling apart at the seams. Rand Paul is proving that the Libertarians are fools and driving a wedge right down the middle between the TeaBaggers and the GOPERs.

    Yeah, I’ll be there in November watching the GOP implode and you holding you’re breath until your brain cell dies.

    adminNo Gravatar

    29 May 10 at 11:10 am

  36. Glenn lies everyday to all IDIOTS who believe him

    StevenNo Gravatar

    4 Jun 10 at 10:10 am

  37. Steven… isn’t it amazing? He says things that can be disproved by looking at your Tivo and the Beckerheads STILL don’t get it.


    adminNo Gravatar

    4 Jun 10 at 10:32 am

  38. [...] WTF Glenn? Do you think that if you keep repeating a lie often enough people will believe you? Glenn Beck Lies | The Glenn Beck Report __________________ "I've know white supremacists. I agree with some of what they say. I [...]


    10 Jun 10 at 9:33 pm

  39. This too from Newsvine:

    MSNBC reported that that guy with a rifle slung over his back at a rally Obama was attending was a “white racist gunning for Obama”

    Beck said that that same guy was a black man.

    Who do you think was lieing & who do you think right?

    JamersNo Gravatar

    16 Jun 10 at 7:34 pm

  40. I assume you are talking about the sensationalistic reporting over the rally in Arizona on August 18. 2009.

    Didn’t see the MSNBC report, but several other sources said that there were about a dozen people carrying loaded weapons at the Arizona rally. Naturally the press picked the black man to interview.

    If you are using this to somehow indicate that Glenn Beck is more accurate than MSNBC you are barking up the wrong tree. Read the spreadsheet.

    adminNo Gravatar

    17 Jun 10 at 5:21 am

  41. Not barking up no wrong tree! You said you didn’t see MSNBC’s report, so you shouldn’t make that statement. I saw the MSNBC report, so I can assuredly state that they were misleading. MSNBC ONLY showed the black guy from the rear, zoomed in enough that only his back with the rifle slung over it was visible. Had they zoomed out the guy’s arms neck & head would not have shown them to be those of ” racist white man gunning for Obama” Glen Beck showed the exact same clip, zoomed out & to my astonishment it was a black man, & not a white man as MSNBC had claimed; and as am suggesting here, I not only watch FOX. But I mostly do as they, FOX. give me far more info that the others.
    CNN’s Rick Sanchez came out with an exuberant “breaking news” about Beck. Only thing was that what he was reporting was a total made up lie he had gleaned from Wikipedia that a prankster had posted there…LMAOOOOOO!!!!

    JamersNo Gravatar

    25 Jun 10 at 2:07 pm

  42. What was the point, again?

    adminNo Gravatar

    25 Jun 10 at 7:28 pm

  43. That Beck was telling lies. I was defending him.Some other things he said that ARE true are:
    * A statue of Stalin has been erected in no lesser place than Virginia.
    * Che Guevera was a murderer and a racist-singling out blacks and Mexicans for his venomously racist comments.
    * Communist Party USA convention, May 21, was broadcast on C-SPAN on May 31, 2010.
    * Ezra Taft Benson, former USA Agricultural Secretary said the following after his 1966 meeting with former Soviet Union Premier, Nikita
    Kruschev: “As we talked face to face, he indicated that my grandchildren would live under communism. After assuring him that I expected to do all in
    my power to assure that his and all other grandchildren will live under freedom he arrogantly declared in substance”:
    ‘You Americans are so gullible. No, you won’t accept communism outright, but we’ll keep feeding you small doses of socialism until you’ll finally wake up and find you already have communism. We won’t have to fight you. We’ll so weaken your economy until you’ll fall like overripe fruit into our hands’! (Noticed what’s happening in the political arena here in the soon to be Soviet States of America?)
    * Communist dictators have throughout history used starvation to kill off millions: Stalin, in Ukraine alone, starved to death over 10 million, despite the fact that over that period Ukranian farmers produced 2 million tons of grain annually above what it would require to feed them normally. Mao slaughtered and starved 10′s of millions during what’s known as “10 years of catastrophe”. Pol Pot; of the over 2 million he murdered, it’s estimated 1 mil was by starvation. And so on, and so on! Now he speaks of Chavez, in addition to nationalizing everything in site, has seized control of the food in Venezeula. There are 80K tons of food rotting in warehouses!
    * The modern-day KKK, with whom most people are familiar, was spawned in 1915 by the Hollywood epic Birth of a Nation, premiered at the White House with unfettered glee by a Democrat president, Woodrow Wilson. Cross-burning and other rituals were actually inspired by the movie. The Klan came to dominate the Democratic Party so thoroughly that the 1924 Democratic National Convention was known as the “Klanbake.” said: “History shows that the Ku Klux Klan was the terrorist arm of the Democrat Party”.
    * I never heard of Communist Goals 1963 until Glen Beck revealed it’s existence. Goal #29 0f 45 said: “Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis:. The attack on the Constitution has been ramped up in recent months to the point the Prez said: “It’s a charter of negative liberties”(meaning the state is denied full control of the lives of it’s citizens by The Constitution) ….what, like free speech, which communities don’t allow?
    * Obama’s mentor who first started Community Organization, dedicated his book, RULES FOR RADICALS, to Satan. (Not surprising, Alinsky was a Communist).
    * FDR, Alinsky, Cloward & Piven, John Holdren, etc., have all advocated for the economic destruction of America. FDR’s Plan of Action said: “SPEND! SPEND! SPEND! Under the guise of recovery-bust the government-blame the capitalists for the failure, junk the constitution, & declare a dictatorship”! (Was it just a coincidence that our economy tanked just a few weeks before the election of ’08?)
    * FDR’s Treasury secretary said FDR’s reckless spending didn’t work, unemployment rose, etc. Back then FDR spent 4.3% of GDP. Now it’s edging up to 30%.
    * Etyc., Etc., Etc.!!!

    JamersNo Gravatar

    26 Jun 10 at 5:39 pm

  44. So, who claimed that everything that Beck says is a lie? Nobody I know, certainly not me.

    The plain fact is that he lies all the time, not that everything is a lie. So that’s why I have a non-updated list of 16 pages of Beck lies and you can only list a few things that you claim he said that are true. BTW, quoting E T Benson is NOT a good place to start for getting to the bottom of the truth. Further, quoting Benson quoting Khrushchev gets you no truth points whatsoever, especially for Glenn Beck.

    Your list of assertions is the kind of stuff that puts people in the loony bin. If you believe that Saul Alinsky was either Obama’s mentor OR that he “started community organization” you’re out of your ever-lovin’ mind. I don’t know if the Alinksky dedication is true or not, but if it was I would be AMAZED… I think you shoud point me to a link where it shows a photo of the book’s intro, then I will believe it.

    You are wrong about attacks on the Constitution being ramped up. You are wrong that Glenn Beck “discovered” Communist Goals from 1963 or any other year.

    The bust of Stalin was put up in the National D-Day Memorial in Bedford, VA. This is what it says on their website about the bust. (BTW, it makes you and people like you look like stupid assholes, which IMO you are). All you have to do is make a couple of clicks and you can find shit like this out for yourself, but NO… you’d rather just spread lies and innuendo like the rotten anti-American pukes you are. Ministry of Information, my ass. You are Ministry of DoubleSpeak and DoubleThink.
    Stalin sculpture depicts dark side of D-Day story
    Sat, August 01, 2009
    News Advance

    By Justin Faulconer

    The hair is brushed back. The mustache thick and bushy. The eyes menacing.

    An infamous face from the 20th century is coming to the National D-Day Memorial in Bedford.

    Richard Pumphrey, a Lynchburg College professor and artist, has recently completed a bust sculpture of Joseph Stalin, the leader of the former Soviet Union from 1928 to 1953.

    The reviled dictator is fourth in a series of Allied world leaders sculpted by the artist for display at the memorial because of their mutual opposition to Hitler’s Germany.

    Pumphrey has finished bronzed busts of Winston Churchill, Harry Truman and Franklin Roosevelt — all now displayed at the memorial.

    He said he hopes the Stalin sculpture will be installed later this year, by Veteran’s Day. His next project includes Clement Attlee — Churchill’s successor — and Chiang Kai-shek, who led China’s military.

    Stalin stands out as the most notorious figure he said he’s had to create from clay.

    “He was just a terrible person,” said Pumphrey. “So the challenge is to embody the terror he instilled.”

    Though he hasn’t received any criticism personally, he said the D-Day Memorial Foundation has fielded public questions over the purpose of placing the Stalin bust on site.

    He compared leaving Stalin out of the lineup of Allied leaders with not including Judas, the betrayer of Jesus Christ, in “The Last Supper” — a famous painting by Leonardo Da Vinci.

    “He’s part of the narrative,” said Pumphrey. “We may not like Stalin, but if he had not challenged Hitler on the Eastern Front, then victories on the Western Front may not have been possible.”

    William McIntosh, the memorial foundation’s president, said the intent is not to portray Stalin as a hero, but rather as an ally who distracted German forces and played a part in the timing and unfolding of D-Day.

    “He’s a necessary addition,” said McIntosh. “He certainly was a fact of life and a major ally during the Second World War … there’s nothing about the presentation that’s going to be flattering of Stalin.”

    McIntosh said the piece captures his “venomous energy — like a coiled snake ready to strike” — but at the same time is not a caricature.

    Pumphrey, 57, was in his early years of college when he completed his first bust sculpture of a fellow classmate. As a Lynchburg resident for 28 years, he has sculpted many pieces, from religious symbols to portraits of children, professors and Martin Luther King Jr.

    Working periodically in his basement studio, he said he usually completes two sculptures a year. He researches historical figures through photographs, which allow him to engineer characteristics like head shape, facial expressions, gestures, body mass and physical features.

    The process requires developing “an intimate relationship” with the subject — and that proved stressful at times while working on Stalin because of his “heinous” personality. The dictator’s “dark side” was something he said he never had to create before.

    “You do get to know these characters very well,” Pumphrey said. “I was angry every day I worked on him … Knowing how bad a guy he was, you’ve got to reveal it … you should feel the figures in addition to seeing them. You should sense their nature just by looking at them.”

    Kathryn, his wife, occasionally offers input on his sculptures.

    “Sometimes I think they’re going just great and she’ll come down here and straighten me out pretty quick,” he said.

    At one point during the Stalin bust she voiced her opinion that she didn’t think his eyes were sculpted in the right way.

    “He looked too nice,” Kathryn said of earlier versions of the bust. “When I saw the final product, Richard definitely captured the eyes. They are a little bit more sinister.”

    Pumphrey receives commissions from the memorial foundation to work on the sculptures through donations, he said.

    McIntosh would not name the donor for the Stalin bust, referring to privacy issues since it has not been installed or dedicated yet. He did say it was an individual, and funding has been secured.

    “We don’t do anything until we have the money in hand,” he said. “It’s money that came from a designated place that has a certain purpose.”

    The minimum costs for the four sculptures so far is $50,000 each, McIntosh said. It covers Pumphrey’s commission, the pedestal to place it on, a plaque and future maintenance.

    The first bust was installed in 2008, several years after the memorial announced it was debt free. The donations for the pieces help the memorial’s bottom line in a time when it struggling financially.

    The memorial, which opened in 2001, is bleeding financially to the point that its leadership is urging lawmakers to declare it a national monument as one desirable avenue to avoid the prospect of closing.

    The nonprofit has a $2.2 million yearly budget and pulls in about $600,000 from tours and ticket sales. The rest is generated through donations, which memorial officials said have suffered in the past few years because of rising gas prices and the downturn in the economy.

    Pumphrey, who referred to the memorial as “a spiritual place” that impacts the quality of his work, said he has written Gov. Timothy M. Kaine and President Obama urging federal intervention.

    “If this memorial were to not be recognized by the federal government as a national landmark, then it somehow I think would diminish the impression of respect this country has for those who fought that battle and who provided the turning point in the war,” he said.

    Using a line from Picasso on which sculpture is dearest to him, he replied, “the next one.”

    Will he miss Stalin?

    “I’m going to be glad I’m not going to have to put my hands on him every day,” Pumphrey said.

    adminNo Gravatar

    26 Jun 10 at 6:24 pm

  45. I started viewing this website for the mere fact that every time I get in an argument over politics my liberal friends spew out “get off the glenn beck train” or “faux news”. I view myself as conservative (not a republican). And yes, I was one of the first screaming at Bush when he made the “patriot act” or started the bail out…our capitalistic system was established to gobble up weak, ill-managed corporations and our govt. didn’t let that process follow thru. And what pisses me off even more are the bail-outs to banks….I thought that is what the FDIC was created for and the money banks are suppose to pay into that system to save a failing bank and its customers….where is all that pool of money that was put into that type of insurance the banks have been paying into for the last 30+ years?
    Although you have some good debunks, some of your debunks are still of your opinion and not truly a debunk. The Anita Dunn comment for example…I will/wont respect ANYONE who claims that Mao had any good intentions or respected the man for anything that he’d done…the man was in place and killed 80-100 million of his own people (estimated).

    I used to listen to Beck a lot but can only handle so much fear mongering in a day. I’ve started to listen to Tom Sullivan who is a Conservative but I’ve noticed has jumped on the fence from time-to-time. He also has tolerance and appears to respect those who call in from the left…unlike Beck who will just hammer and belittle them right off the bat.

    I appreciate what Beck brings to the table because in fact he is one of many that holds the President in check. Do I believe everything that comes from his mouth? No. Usually if its something that concerns me I like to dig deeper into the topic to see how far off or how close he is to the truth. Just like when Bush was office I spent a lot of time reading stuff in the Huffington Post and watching MSNBC…I knew these two groups would attempt to find the dirtiest info on him and then again, I would do research on what they brought to the table.
    My point being is that its good to have apposing view points and “watch dogs”….the main concern is taking those ideas and taking the time to dig into the matter and research it to see just how much of their truth is bent or not. Just as much as u hate Beck I hate Keith Olbermann BUT I still listen to him and if something is of interest I usually see how much truth is in what he comments on. I respect your website because you do have some insight and you do have something to back “beck follower” weak as some of them are…they are still good. But people who just throw out the phrase “faux news” or
    “Beck follower” hold no merit with me because when I usually ask why that is so bad they don’t have anything they can re-inforce it with…talk about mindless sheep….

    ChrisNo Gravatar

    7 Jul 10 at 10:58 am

  46. Thank you for your well-reasoned explanation and comment, Chris. I am going to take the first stab at responding and I hope my website partner Qu1n1an will jump in (not on) too.

    It’s not very often that we get people in here who are former Beck listeners. You say that you can only stand so much fearmongering a day. What a succinct and relevant comment. That’s what Beck trades in, and once you understand that you understand why he is dangerous. He scares people into thinking and doing things that are not in the best interests of themselves or the country. The “socialist government” that’s “going to take your guns away” and “put people in concentration camps” and “create death panels” doesn’t exist, not even a trace of it. That is a hoax, and if you understand who Cleon Skousen was you will understand exactly what Beck is trying to do.

    I don’t believe that Beck, Limbaugh, Savage, Palin, or any of the nutjobs that have tried to cash in on the unfortunate GOP are just noise. They scare some people but they annoy most of us. I don’t believe that Obama gives a rat’s ass about them, and I don’t think he cares at all about the progressive movement (remember, progressive is opposite of regressive) either. He got elected in large part by mobilizing progressives, but he has not catered to us at all. In fact, most progressives view Obama’s performance as more or less the same as what Bush did on the important issues. I do. We still have 2 occupations/wars going, Gitmo is still open, we still have domestic spying, we have no plan to transition away from a carbon energy system, we still have state-sponsored religion, and so on.

    You mention the PATRIOT Act, another failing of Obama. He should have fought to repeal it. But what would have happened is that the Becktoids and Limbos etc would have started screaming about it, then the GOP leaders would have felt obligated to scream too, since they are run by Limbo and Beck. They would have screamed “Democrats are soft on terrorism”. I know you know this. Obama knows it, too. Just like he knows we should stop deep water drilling and put a moratorium on gas wells. But he can’t say those things without the GOP screaming “just like Jimmy Carter” or “trying to price you out of business” or “trying to start a gas crisis”. I know you know that, too.

    I watch KO but I’m starting to get tired of him. I don’t HATE him, though… I just think he focuses on the sensationalist stuff and doesn’t stick to substantive issues. He does a pretty good job of heaping ridicule where it’s well deserved. I like Thurber but I wish he’d stop reading it on his show.

    I have to disagree with you about Anita Dunn and her Mao comment. As you probably have discovered, no person is 100% good or 100% evil. We’re not made that way. Even evil people get to be good at things. So quoting Mao is not being a Maoist, or suggesting that we should be Maoists, or endorsing Maoism. It’s just saying a thought that Mao had. Mao had lots of them (which he wrote down in the little Red Book). I can’t get excited about something like that and make a big issue out of it. It doesn’t make any sense. However, if she would have written a book where she spent 4 pages fantasizing about having sex with her BROTHER, I would have a few words to say about THAT.

    Thank you for taking the time to give your critical opinion. I will admit that I have done a LOUSY job of keeping the lies spreadsheet updated. My excuse is that “he lies faster than I can type”. Well, that’s true, but it’s not a good excuse. Let’s just call it an explanation. I am going to try to do better, and you have inspired me to do so.

    Thanks again for the comment, Chris, and please stop by some more. I have gotten some help from another person now and I’m sure the website will improve.


    adminNo Gravatar

    7 Jul 10 at 12:52 pm

  47. omg…that is exactly how I’ve felt about Obama….he has basically kept doing what Bush was doing…Wars/bail-outs/Gitmo/etc… Except he has crept us closer to Socialism…..before you scream at me for using the “S” word….let me explain. Health care reform as it may be is govt. controlled system which is a form and I say a “form” of socialistic ideals. I can name so many other options that could re-vamp our health care system but non of our elected officials would dare follow because of all the money they get from the health care industry. I have a very liberal friend who followed the excuses of the Obama Administration showing the statistics from the “WHO” organization which labeled our health care 32nd or 37th? Which after doing some research I’ve found the statistics and info that WHO pulled isn’t fair or across the board accurate. If you look into it you will see that things we report other countries either disregard or dont report or report but based on other situations…example our life expectancy we use homocides and vehicle fatalities and most European countries do not record that info as “life expectancy”. If you believe that our Health care system sucks like WHO reported I wouldn’t mind sharing the TRUE statistics and how we were compared with other countries….
    Where were you when Bush was in office? All the news agencies and guys like Chris Mathews or Keith “bathtub boy” Olbermanless spewed racist and negative info. on Bush daily….
    As far as Anita Dunn…I watched the video…she said “Mao was one of her favorite Political Philosophers”, the words are altered or misconstrewed(sp?) they came straight out of her mouth…I mean come on….it wasn’t like it took a two sec. blurpt of her saying it…he showed the whole speech and it was damaging in my book. There was no joke in her comment…matter of fact she re-inforced why she respected Mao. She was speaking to Children graduating from High School….the way she spoke of Mao was like this guy was actually a cool dude and brave…which again I stick to brave for killing over 70 million of his own people? Let alone enslaving a portion, torturing and imprisoning them? How do you respect that? That would be like me saying I respect Hitler for his political achievements or Stalin? I would rather piss on their graves.
    I do fear that our govt. is getting too involved in our lives. What was it last year we had over 40k laws established by our govt. doesn’t that scare you? We are becoming a society that needs the govt. to tell us when/where/how to piss…seriously.
    Our society has become so lazy, blaming and idiotic it scares me…no one holds any accountability for there actions anymore..and I live in one of the most sue happy states in America..Republic of CA.
    People dont use logic or even simple common sense….for example the govt. (at least in CA) passing a law banning cell phone texting or calling while driving a motor vehicle…really? It only takes common sense to understand that it’s stupid to do something like that but now I need my govt. to tell me that? The more laws and regulations lead to govt. control. But Iam sure people will just laugh at that….to each his own….Small example of how that has worked…our small town was forced to recycle (which Iam all for btw) with a private company that ended up more than doubling our trash/recycling rates….our local govt. made it policy and the citizens had no say on going to another waste provider or not….matter of fact if you didn’t adhere to the new policy the city would enforce payment and people could face jail time if bills were held delinquent…..Would you say that is democracy? Would you say thats capitalism? Might I also add that our local govt. offered no other bids from other waste haulers? Does this seem appropriate? Or more than doubling our rates? Considering that #1 they were picking up our recycling half the amount of our trash AND making money on the recycling unlike the trash…..I only pointing this out as a small example of the problems that arise when we give our govt. too much control.

    One french economist that I’ve started reading about predicted our future and the road we would go down if we weren’t careful(which to me, he has been dead on so far)..dont know if you’ve heard of him Frederic Bastiat:
    I attached a link to his writings which are fascinating at least to me.

    Anyway, keep up the blog….it would be interesting if you pointed out some of outright lies of the left…like bathtub boy or mathews…I mean considering you said you dont lean left…or am I wrong about that? Not being a smart ass but just thought you said that somewhere….could have been another person writing in the comments.

    ChrisNo Gravatar

    7 Jul 10 at 2:12 pm

  48. Chris… I will replace this with a real comment tomorrow. I am FRENCH FRIED at the moment…. I am looking forward to it, your comment looks great!


    adminNo Gravatar

    7 Jul 10 at 7:33 pm

  49. Hi Chris – I’m Quinlan, and I’m the other administrator of the site. First and foremost, thanks for your thoughtful comments.

    Let me first address your issue of health care. I must in all honesty admit that I consider myself a socialist. I then must say, as a socialist, that I do not think that Obama represents many of my interests. Don’t get me wrong, I like many things that he’s done, I just think that he really needs to step it up. Anyway, I think what people need to realize is that America already has a TON of socialized services. Libraries, police department, fire department, Medicare/Medicaid. See that last one? We already have socialized medicine. It’s true. I’m sorry to tell anybody who hates Obama, but he is NOT the advent of socialized medicine.

    Secondly, Mao. I do not respect Mao, or the atrocities that he committed. However, I do respect certain, small aspects of the IDEAS that he had. PLEASE DON’T TAKE ME OUT OF CONTEXT. Should Mao have done most/all of the things he did? Of course not. Did he have a few political/social ideas that could have been useful? Yes. Bottom line, somebody can be a monster but still have some valid ideas.

    Next, cell phones. I also am a resident of California – and I was SO HAPPY when that law came about. Of course, people shouldn’t have to be told to stay of their phones – but sadly, crash statistics clearly say that they do. I think the government is doing a great thing by fining idiots for doing dangerous things. Stats are already showing that it’s cutting down on dangerous driving practices.

    I can’t speak about Olbermann, so I’ll leave that up to Mr. Wexler. I try not to watch liberal-biased news – I don’t want my opinion influenced. I make my own opinion based on facts, I don’t want other opinion unless I’m going to debunk it.

    And for the record – I’m definitely on the left. About as far left as you can go. I can’t speak for Wexler, but I’m pretty sure that he is as well. In terms of lies on the left, This site is specifically for Glenn Beck. If we were running a site on general hypocrisy and lies in politics, you bet that we would have stuff from every end of the spectrum – but I also think that the better part of that would be from the right.

    Thanks, and I look forward to your reply.

    Qu1n1anNo Gravatar

    7 Jul 10 at 8:03 pm

  50. Hi, Chris,

    I just got my first cup of coffee and as it sinks in this response may get more cohesive. Sometimes it works.

    I have read Quinlan’s response and I pretty much agree with it. I say “pretty much” because we don’t agree on everything, which provides at least one anecdotal piece of evidence that socialist atheists are not a homogeneous group. However, we agree on most of the important stuff and can agree to disagree on the rest. In fact there are probably some things I’m going to put up this morning that we do not share as gospel. (Heheh, that’s funny, coming from an atheist, right?)

    Let’s start with the health reform debacle. If the reform bill just passed moved us closer to socialism it’s hard for me to tell exactly how. It is really just a continuation of our private health care system with a few rules thrown in. The core of the system remains unchanged; we still have private hospitals and medical offices running as free enterprise systems. We have a private system of education for our MDs and they are free to go wherever they want and work as any private citizen. The State will not own or control the means of production. In other words, I think the health care reform bill is a piece of crap.

    It could have been SO much better. You talk about evidence that was ignored (the WHO study). I don’t know about that, but I do recall that it was 37th and I believe that if you look at the metrics of the study you will find that we have people in this “richest land” that live below the status of paupers. I know we can’t and shouldn’t make everybody equally wealthy, but I view health care as a basic human right. If you believe that, then you should look at health care delivery systems around the world and see how they do it, shouldn’t you? Especially when they have health care for 100% of their citizens and we have 32 million who have to go to the ER for basic care? Surely you have to agree that that part of our system is a tragic, broken mess. So what pissed me off beyond screaming and tears was that we HAD a perfectly good place to start the health care reform debate from. We had HR 676, passed in January 2007 and co-sponsored by over 80 Reps. It is 28 pages long. It eliminates insurance companies over a period of 15 years. You should read it. Insurance companies are the biggest waste center in the health care system. They add NO VALUE. They take money that should be used to treat sick people away as profits.

    Speaking of profits, our little family of 2 is self-insured. Our BCBS provider sent us a letter last fall (just as it began to look like something was going to pass) that raised our rates 28.6% up to $960/month. Name one other service provider that can raise their rates by 1/3 and just GET AWAY with it. I complained to the insurance commission, which is like someone with a gas well in their front yard complaining to the Bush MMS. The ONLY reason we have not lost our house is because we have some assets. My wife will be on Medicare next year and hopefully we can pinch pennies until then. But what about the rest?

    There are still 32 million Americans who have to go to the ER for medical service. A lot of the problems that have become emergencies could have been headed off by proper medical care at a fraction of the cost. Instead, our ERs are clogged with people who really shouldn’t be there, taking in the most expensive form of health care, and then unable to pay the bill. BUT, that doesn’t make the bill go away. Hell no, it doesn’t. The hospitals have to find the money somewhere, they can’t just operate at a loss because they are and always will be private businesses. So they raise their rates. And when hospitals raise their rates, then insurance companies raise THEIR rates. That’s how the two of us pay almost as much for our health insurance as we do for our house payment. And BTW, we had over $15,000 in out-of-pocket last year ON TOP of the premiums.

    OK. So I think we should have done Single Payer. I also think you ought to look at the WHO study… as you know, the health insurance industry spent millions of dollars providing us with propaganda and deliberate misinformation. Remember “pull the plug on grannie”? So find the WHO study for yourself with the Google and then decide if you believe what you heard or what is actually in the study.

    Where was I during the Bush Administration? Not watching Chris or Keith. I didn’t have time because I was still working as an EE and putting in 60-70 hours a week as a slave. However, I did operate my own anti-Bush website, which is in a bad state of disrepair at the moment, but please take the time to sift through it.

    As I posted earlier, I don’t share your hatred of Matthews and Olbermann. I have never watched Matthews on a regular basis, but he has good and bad points. One of his good points is that he goes all OCD on guests now and then and will not give up on a point until he gets an answer. One of the bad points is that his voice can whine like a 747, oh, and also that he would like to be the US Senator from PA. Where do you get the “bathtub boy” thing about Olbermann? Regardless of how you feel about him personally, would you agree that his show has better journalistic integrity than anything on Fox? I think it does. I think Fox is a wholly owned subsidiary of the GOP, and they have blood on their hands over the Iraq War. Yeah, they do, because they were leading the media charge in support of Dubya’s war even though we know now (and many of us knew then) that there was no reason to invade Iraq, none at all. I was one of those who knew. You didn’t have to be a rocket scientist to read independent news reporting from around the world and realize that our news is heavily filtered and some may even say censored. The press is now functioning as an organ for the State, and if you want independent news you have to get it from independent news sources.

    Here’s a thought for you. How can there be “liberal” news and “conservative” news? News is just news, isn’t it? It always was when I was a kid. Back in 1971 when I worked for the paper there wasn’t anyone who ever said “Oh, don’t go cover that because it’s liberal”. The idea of politically slanted news is a creation of the right wing. The right wing has been crazy about newspapers ever since the NYT published the Pentagon Papers and the Washington Post destroyed Dick Nixon. They vowed that they were going to get a handle on this “news problem”. And boy howdy they have. Fox News Corporation, Limbuagh’s EIB Network, Glenn Beck’s insanity, and many other figures including Coulter, Ingram, Savage, etc etc flood the airwaves with radical right smears and outright lies. This goes unchallenged thanks to the Reagan FCC which quietly did away with the Fairness Doctrine. The Fairness Doctrine would fix this in a big hurry. All it would do, before you go hysterical, is provide equal time to anyone who has been attacked in the same media. This would be the end of hours of baseless lying and fearmongering. It would be the opening of doors of discussion on these points instead of hours of yammering and defamation. Wouldn’t that be a good thing?

    We’ll have to disagree on Anita Dunn. I have seen the whole videotape of the presentation and the Mao comment was not key to the speech nor was it dwelled on. She just mentioned it in passing.

    We do live in a lazy society that believes in instant gratification. It’s not just from the bottom up, though, it’s from the top down, too. We have a very small number of people who are hyper rich and have been since birth. They make decisions about our daily lives from which they are totally insulated and frankly they don’t give a damn about that devastate millions with a stroke of a pen. What really cracks me up is when the press gets on a politician’s side about them being a self-made man. Like Dubya, for example. Molly Ivans once said “Bush was born on 3rd base and thought he’d hit a triple”.

    I agree with you that we shouldn’t need to pass laws against texting while driving. But obviously we have to, because people lack the common sense to refrain from it. I hated when states started cracking down on DWI because it literally ended my career as a musician. But people don’t have enough sense, or can’t control themselves, so they go to bars and drink too much and then drive home. Our DWI laws are still a lot less harsh than in Europe, where one DWI means you’ll never drive again. But there is still a bar business in Europe, at least everywhere my band played, because people there just adapted. They use public transportation or walked or have a designated driver. And their DWI crashes are next to zero for the whole continent.

    Recycling is expensive. The issue is somewhat complicated by the whole licensing and contract procedure. I can’t speak to your situation there, but if enough people agree with you then you ought to raise hell and get it fixed. That’s how we do things here, we make our politicians uncomfortable enough with bad publicity that they have to pay attention.

    I will visit your link, thanks for posting it. I am very worried about our Republic, and not so much for me because I don’t have that much time left. But I have grandkids. And I happen to love the idea of the US, I think the Founders really came up with a great form of government. However, we have allowed consumerism to trump common sense time and time again. We have become a nation of people who don’t participate in what was designed to be a participatory system. Our environment is on the brink of collapse and yet we won’t look at it. It reminds me of some of the alcoholics I used to entertain; they sorta knew they had a drinking problem but were unwilling to face it. If we can’t find the will to break free from carbon based fuels we are done for; the current system is not going to make it.

    I am including a link for you, this is one of the most brilliant minds in American politics who articulates what ought to be the mainstream left position. Democrats HATE this guy. Of course I’m referring to Ralph Nader. This is a link to many of his writings, which I have some of collected in book form. I do not always agree with Nader, but in general I think he’s one of the very few on the left who is willing to tell the truth, even if it’s ugly.

    Well, thank you again for your comment, Chris, it’s really great to chat with you this way and I hope you will come back from time to time, even if it’s just to stop in and give us hell!

    Best wishes & regards,


    adminNo Gravatar

    8 Jul 10 at 7:48 am

  51. The whole “socialism” word I find funny because people throw it out left and right like its a bad word. lol I understand that a lot of what occurs in the U.S. is a form of socialism…medicare, police, fire, welfare..etc. and its a good thing unlike people who want to make it out to be bad. Pure socialism will not work…its been proven in history time and time again…We are human in nature and in being that we would do what we could to just get by….I will admit right now, if someone were to hand me 2.5k per month for nothing I would do just that…nothing. And if you think that a majority of people aren’t like that I would beg to differ. Before I became a teacher, I worked with my dad in his painting business and we had a contract to travel the Northwest painting HUD developments…I saw the craziest stuff and heard stories of how people cheated this and cheated that to get govt. money and it sickened me. Every town I went to was like a broken record…like these people all had a hidden website and shared info. on how to cheat the system….I was pretty tainted from that point on about welfare….then clinton came out with work to welfare and that is where I started to see how capitalism and socialism could work as one…crazy notion I know lol.
    As I’ve said, Iam a conservative in heart but with that I believe in helping people. At one time, when I was a teacher, I used to be hard-core liberal….so I’ve deviled in both realms and have come under the realization that the two can intermingal(sp?). I am not an Aetheist and believe there is a higher being…I do respect your views but dont always agree. I am a reformed Christian (born/raised Catholic). As a Christian, I abide by the rule of helping my neighbor, I also respect my neighbor for the choices they make…whether they are homosexual or have committed what we term a “sin”….humans are not perfect and I by no means can say I’ve lived by the 10 commandments. So saying that I see the need for capitalism yet I also see the need for social programs to help those less fortunate.
    The one thing that I think would make our system work better is attaching strings to using govt. aid. (work-to-welfare) Meaning, if I use welfare then I should be doing one of two things…either doing some form of city/county work (cleaning garbage on the side of the road or ?). OR I should be proving that Iam bettering myself by attending a trade-school or college. Of course, that doesn’t always work well with those who have mental disabilities…physical disabilities I could argue is not a crutch in a majority of cases…one such example would be one of thee greatest scientist of our time.
    Nader…..I like a lot of his ideas…more so than either McCain or what Obama brought to the table. He was looking into cutting out the loopholes the rich use during tax season and I loved it….I read an article in the NYT which talked back in 2004 about new york city tax accountants saving over 500mill alone for new york city businesses….I was thinking…my god, one city and wondering if those loopholes were shut just how fast our deficit would be wiped out.
    Anyway, will add more later…must go to work.

    ChrisNo Gravatar

    8 Jul 10 at 8:57 am

  52. shh…iam at work dont tell lol…

    Health reform debacle…I looked at it as a beefed up Medicaid program…the rich will still afford private insurance and those from the middle class down will be stuck with medicore healthcare. One senator I liked initially was Max Baucus and the notion of public option….but then found that how much he was bought off….when he voted against the public option. I think the Public option was a great middle ground. I say I believe in Capitalism but I also struggle with the thought that some CEO is making 45mill a year off my health and whether or not I live or die. BUT I’ve spoke to a few doctors that find it funny everyone is attacking Private insurance when in fact the federal govt. has had a hand in driving up medical costs with the amount of govt. regulations on the industry. A physical therapist I spoke to talked about how medicare would drop 10% off what they would give for certain things and it was the private insurance companies that would follow suit behind the govt. aid. One doctor I talked to laughed because 25% of his cost that he charges me goes right to medical malpractice insurance. Everyone laughs at TORT reform but really it needs to be done. #1 I do not believe doctors/nurses get into a field to ruin lives…mistakes are made, we are human. I do believe that compensation is needed if it affects my day to day life but come on we are talking about litigation and damages…people will still get all medical costs covered and people will still be compensated for what they would lose in regards to their income…say they could never work again….those are justified and need to stay. BUT dont tell me that someone for example like the woman who sued(sp?) the tabacco industry for 20 mill dollars because her mother died from smoking….its one thing if the tabacco industry forced that cigarette in her mouth but when do we start holding ourselves accountable for our actions….I drink…I drink lots of beer…I love beer…but if I got liver cancer should I be justified in suing the beer companies? Hell no, I know the risks and Iam willing to take that gamble. Its about what you said “accountability”.
    #2 My doctor said to me, “we have an MRI machine now, to have your ankle examined it will cost you 4k dollars…of which I am responsible for 20% of that cost for one hour use of the machine” I asked why that cost is so high and he said because that piece of machinery cost the hospital 3.8 million dollars and most of that cost went to paying for that machine… point, technology is driving up our cost also.
    #3 Pharmacuetical industry….have you ever asked yourself why a drug cost 3 times less in Canada or Mexico Vs. the United states? Look into the govt. regulations and govt. costs slapped on the pharmacuetical industry and the restrictions….let alone the lawsuits associated…which is a tough one to argue against….but I think can be minimized like that of Tort Reform.
    #4 Competition…..your from CA…so you can see that Blue Cross pretty much controls CA…..I have insurance thru Anthem…WHICH is a subsidiary of Blue cross…I have Lumenos WHICH is also in the Blue cross family….point being is that all this so called competition in CA a majority of the health insurance is controlled by two major companies….other point, why is it that I can’t get health insurance from a Florida based company? I can do that with my Car insurance…..just an example of how costs can be kept down is by looking at the car insurance industry….more competition=lower costs.

    Now on to attacking WHO and how “horrible” our health care in the U.S. is today:

    #1 We are penalized for allowing Health Savings Accounts and not a govt. run health care system. having an insufficiently progressive income tax system (i.e., escalating rates on increasing levels of earnings).The low U.S. grades on these overcome its advantage on the statistics that directly measure health outcomes, where WHO rates our country number one.
    #2 Our life expectancy is 18th among 30 world democracies BUT health care is not just a factor in life expectancy. THE U.S. is cited for two causes of death; homocides and auto accidents..take those out of the equation and we are on the top of the list for life expectancy.
    #3 Infant Mortality: U.S. includes ALL deaths after live birth and defines births as live if newborns show any sign of life regardless of prematurity. By contrast Austria and Germany include only deaths of infants who weigh at least one pound at birth. In France/Belgium, deaths of infants less than 26 weeks of pregnancy arent includedpremature or not. Moreover, MANY countries do not reliably register babies who die soon after birth.
    #4 SPECIFIC DISEASES: The U.S. clearly outperforms the rest of the world according to the U.S. Ntl. Cancer inst. And Intl. agency of Research on Cancer ..five year survival rates for all most common cancers are better in the U.S. than ANY European country.
    #5 MEDICAL INNOVATION: Moreover, the U.S. drives the bulk of worldwide research and innovation related to health care. A study by Michael Tanner concludes, Eighteen of the last 25 winners of the Nobel Prize in Medicine are either U.S. citizens or individuals working here. U.S. companies have developed half of all new major medicines introduced worldwide over the past 20 years. In fact, Americans played a key role in 80 percent of the most important medical advances of the past 30 years. … [A]dvanced medical technology is far more available in the United States than in nearly any other country.
    #6 Even under the WHO rankings, the U.S. is rated first in responsiveness to patients needs in choice of provider, dignity, autonomy, timely care, and confidentiality. Despite genuine problems of distribution and utilization of preventive care, overall, in comparison with other countries U.S. health care is faster, more effective, and more advanced.
    Last….I look at our health as a nation in whole….lets face it, we are a fast food nation and because of that we have some of the highest obeseity rates in the world…which obviously is going to affect our health…its not the health care industries fault that we dont take care of our bodies…we are creating the disease.
    ….these are things that the Obama administration doesn’t want you to see or recognize….
    I never believed in the granny garbage but I do know people that have medicaid that have been denied for procedures just like that from the private health industry…its going to happen wether or not we have govt. funded or private.

    You spoke of people who clog up the hospitals who shouldn’t be there….and how the hospitals raise rates because of those non payers….what do you think will happen when people get health care for free? Its going to get worse, One example I can think of is my Friend who is the Head football coach at our high school….he came from Canada because of the lack of timely manner taken to get his back operated on and fixed. He was on a waiting list for 8 months and had to have his back fused….he ended up losing his job and decided to get a job in the U.S. to in fact get away from there system. He said people could get in sooner but it were those that were rich and could afford “extra” insurance…so meaning the wealthy were taken care of first.

    Obviously we disagree on the war…I hate that we went to war and my brother changed my view drastically. He was a scout in the Army and was proud of what he did for those people….he talked to me about the mass graves that they were guided too by Iraqs in which Sadaam and his family killed and murdered because they were against the govt. Everyday people came up and thanked him and gave him little trinkets(sp?) for their thanks for helping them from the oppression. He spent two tours over there and left the last early due to getting Cancer….the group he was with were guided to a bunker filled with depleted uranium..which he pointed out could be made into a dirty bomb….not considered a WMD? He laughs and told me to ask the two guys from his group that died from touching the garbage because they didn’t know what they found….also he got Cancer …but the govt. isn’t saying its from that…of course not, because if they admited it they would have to pay restitution…pathetic. No, he said that the U.N. knew OF IT….so that doesn’t count…but whats funny is who would have stopped sadaam from using it? Certainly not the weak A## U.N.
    He hates that its politcal but loves that he helped fellow humans…thats what he is proud of and I am proud of him and those soldiers for that.

    The news thing…well its been proven that everyone interprets something that has occurred differently…stories are told and its the readers job to sort thru the B.S. Just like the MSNBC discussion you had…MSNBC reported using the “RACE” card and it was obvious they edited so you couldn’t see the guys color of his skin just his back and the gun.

    Fairness doctrine? Come on really? What is stopping the Dems from starting up their own talk shows or radio shows? They have a lot more money that the Rep. Party….that has been proven. No one limits them from doing that…this is a free country and trying to tell me that it will make equal air time…I dont buy it. The dems could buy up as much air time as they want right now no one is stopping them…there is something else going on. Fearmongering happens on both sides…I can name you upteen times Obama has used the “crisis” card and why we need to do this or that…just as many times as I heard bush use the same word…I’ve lost all trust in our representatives Dem. or Rep. Both sides clearly work for big corportations not for the people. We dont pay for their campaigns they do and they have to listen to those who pay.

    Anita Dunn….yes we can agree to disagree…

    Lazy society/instant gratification….You hit the nail on the head.

    My point about all the laws passed was that it means more govt. control…giving us less freedoms….which takes away the notion of common sense and being responsible human beings…now I just let the govt. do it. I agree, there are laws that are needed but at what point do we say…”thats getting a little carried away”.
    Recycling….yep we made a big enough stink…things are changing and our current counsel members are nervous:)

    I cant wait for us to be off fossil fuels….personally obama should stop all imports of oil and we should use up what reserves we have….they say we have enough in the U.S. to last over 50 years….I think that would be enough time for us to make the transition to a fossil free nation….Obama could say “you got 50 years…shit or get off the pot cause when its gone its gone” I think that would make for an easier transition.

    Anyway…good talking to you guys…and I agree…should stick to Glenn Beck…he may be holding the current administrations feet to the fire but someone else needs to make sure he is getting his facts straight too:)

    ChrisNo Gravatar

    8 Jul 10 at 10:41 am

  53. Wow, you’re voluminous (at writing, that is!)

    I’m going to be buried with students all day today so I’ll see if my partner answers you. I’d be interested to see how he feels about some of those things, too.

    If Qu1n1an hasn’t answered by tomorrow morning, I’ll give it a try. In fact, I might even just do that anyway!

    Cheers, Chris… first student will be here momentarily….

    adminNo Gravatar

    8 Jul 10 at 10:53 am

  54. Hi Chris-

    I think it’s so stupid how these days the right wing is using socialism as a synonym for communism and fascism. It seems that whenever they refer to Obama or liberals in general, they can’t refrain from using one or all of these words. Of course, they’re all drastically different things, and that’s why I call myself a socialist rather than a communist (or a fascist, yikes).

    I agree that to have a capitalist society that functions at least somewhat well, we do need a lot of socialized programs. Heck, if we got some perfect socialized health insurance (not this stuff which Obama is doing, which I appreciate but is really not much), great financial aid, housing help, government-run hospitals that wouldn’t charge you an arm and a leg for a band-aid, and other social services which I’m failing to think of at the moment, I would probably just give up on my “socialist agenda” and be more-or-less happy with the situation that we had.

    I agree that people should have to either work for welfare, or otherwise prove that they can’t work because of a mental disability or a serious physical disability (not ‘ow, my back’). In fact, the idea of payment according to work done is one of the principals of socialism.

    One thing I disagree about is that pure socialism is not a viable system. I’ll agree that we haven’t seen it work in the past, but this is because the implementation was no good – if you look at the formerly socialist countries (there aren’t really any current socialist countries, those are communist), they were usually run by a dictator or otherwise the voters had no real power or freedom. When I ask for socialism in the U.S., what I’m talking about is that we get to retain every single freedom that we have now, (speech, press, etc) retain our system of democracy, but simply do away with the capitalism that plagues the poor and middle class. I think, if we did it well, we’d end up with something truly beautiful, that maximized personal rights and voter power, enforced stability with government control, and provided fairness in terms of monetary compensation. I am a democratic socialist.

    Thanks again, and keep the comments coming!

    Qu1n1anNo Gravatar

    8 Jul 10 at 11:08 am

  55. That previous comment was in regards to YOUR previous one, but it looks like you posted a new one at the same time as my reply.

    Honestly, there’s so little in your comment that I either disagree with or feel strongly about for me to reply to. Are you GOP, or just generally conservative? You’re too nice, and we’re agreeing on far too many things for you to be GOP.

    In terms of accountability (suing, etc.), I do think that people should be accountable – but I think that the industry is as well. Basically, I say that any product you come out with should be labeled with a list of its dangers, and as long as a person suffers from one of those (or other common sense problems) when using it it’s their fault. However, if your cookie dough causes cancer and you fail to mention that, then by all means, the victim should sue your ass off.

    In terms of fairness in news… Well, I hate to sound like a broken record, but I think that the reason that there’s no liberal news that can truly compare with Faux is for two reasons: one, because I think that liberals are simply better people in terms of lying, and two, because truth has a liberal bias. You usually only need to lie about it if you’re doing a conservative spin.

    About Iraq – I’m sorry that your brother came home with cancer, and I’m glad that he felt he was being helpful. But the truth is that that war is entirely illegal. America is not the world’s watchdog or police force. We are breaking international law and getting our people killed. I really hated how Bush just took 9/11 as an opportunity to finish up his daddy’s war – and make no mistake, that’s what it is. I think that a military should only be for defense or otherwise big international wars (World War 1 & 2).

    Qu1n1anNo Gravatar

    8 Jul 10 at 11:30 am

  56. lol…no not GOP…Iam conservative but I have a brain and can actually have an intellectual conversation without throwing out stupid rants…at least I think I can.
    I’ve bounced around and find myself conservative but don’t label myself Dem or Rep. I dont trust either party and truly see that they are almost the same entity. I hated Bush. I voted for Clinton, I’ve voted for Ross Perot days…if you remember him lol. I’ve entertained Ralph Nader but haven’t checked him totally. I have leaned on Ron Paul because he favors a flat tax which would get rid of loop holes entirely but some things I dont agree with him on.

    I just cant see socialism working…anyone held with power becomes corrupt and greedy…its just been proven way too many times in History. Our govt. should be strictly a ref and maintaining what our society needs to function….roads, fire, police, military, Welfare, and (yes I will add Health care but as a public option;) )
    Look at our current Representatives….I cant think of one that really works in our best interest…like my example of Max Baucus…he was gearing towards a middle ground in the battle for health care and when he laid his cards out he failed to take our side..he took the side of the people who fund his campaign..corporate.

    When you said “liberals are simply better people in terms of lying” Did you mean conservatives are lol I try to keep as much emotion out of my arguments as possible…I like statistics and facts and even those sometimes aren’t solid because they too can be altered. I have a lot of liberal friends due to my 7 years as a teacher….I find them very emotionally geared in arguments and have no factual grounds which frustrates me sometimes.
    For example…the SB1070….god willing I want people to have citizenship…immigrants are the hardest working people I know but its still illegal the way they cheated our system. My liberal friends say “give them all amnesty then, its not right!” Well #1 Bush tried that in 2004 and failed #2 Our social programs and economy would collapse…I know that sounds bad to base that on but there is a reason our Govt. only allows a certain percentage to have citizenship each year…..they have to weigh-in the attributes of new citizens….whether they will be a burden on our social programs or how well they will contribute to our country….its not right but this isn’t the 1800′s when we didn’t have the social programs that we have today and responsibilities to take care of the amount of people we do today.
    It pisses me off how horrible people abuse immigrants…paying them 2-3.00 per hour, no sick leave or paid vacations….no benefits at all….to me its a present day form of slavery. Our govt. needs to work on making work visas easier and more accessable….allowing people to be documented and prove that they can be worthy citizens but in the same breath limit accessability to social programs. I found some great information on (center of immigration studies), which records a LOT of illegal immigrant activity. Everyone screams discrimination but I have a little more faith in our police force than that…sure, perhaps 1% will show some racism but its much better than letting undocumented people run rampant thru our country…. Plus what Arizona did I think will make the Fed. Govt. get off their AZZes and actually do something rather than spend the next 20 years debating what we should do.
    sorry Iam ranting so much…lol

    ChrisNo Gravatar

    8 Jul 10 at 2:46 pm

  57. I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree about socialism.

    In terms of the AZ law – I am not your typical blanket liberal. I have been known to have conservative opinions – and one of mine is when it comes to immigration. However, with that said, I am against the AZ law. The problem is that it inspires racism. If we want to check for citizenship when we catch a criminal, that’s fine, but we can’t just see a brown person and demand their i.d. card. That’s messed up.

    I think we do need guard troops at the border – and I do think that we need to be better about deporting illegals. However, I also think we need to make it easier to gain legal citizenship to this country. Have you ever seen the citizenship test? A lot of American residents have tried it and failed it. Anyway, I’ve got a lot of opinions about immigration but this isn’t really the place for them.

    When I said liberals are better about lying, I was just talking about how much conservative news spews blatant lies compared to liberal news. If your friends are a little bit too air-headed (no offense) to back up their opinions, please blame that on them and not liberals in general.

    Qu1n1anNo Gravatar

    8 Jul 10 at 5:07 pm

  58. I agree with Qu1n1an. You’re too damn nice to be a righty. We have openings, especially in California. (BTW, I’m in flyover country.)

    I’m whupped after a long day but I just want to say something about the illegal immigration issue.

    There are three possible places to put blame. First, you can look at those who come in as criminals who are breaking Federal law by crossing the border illegally. Second, you can look at it as a legal problem from the standpoint that we should just open our borders like they have done in Europe and let people mill about as they will. Third, you can look at it as a consumer-side issue in that the people who are causing the problem are the people who hire illegal immigrants because they can get them to do work we won’t do for slave labor wages.

    Have I left anything out? If so please add it in as I am very fatigued at present and the only thing keeping me going right now is my spell-checker. (Note to Joe).

    I tend to believe that the biggest problem is the third one. I think we wouldn’t have all these illegal immigrants here if managers of companies that hired them faced jail time. If families who hired them were faced with Federal felony charges. If that happened, then we would see the situation change over time.

    I should also add that I believe that securing the border is one of those “DUH” things that should have been done long before 9/11 but Jeezus on a bike what the f*ck was Bush waiting for AFTER 9/11? Instead now we have the government reading our email and tapping our telephones at will. We have the USA PATRIOT Act that is a kick in the balls (or appropriate other body parts) to anyone who loves idea of a Constitutional Republic.

    Which brings me to the OathKeepers. Stewart Rhodes is a traitor to the US and should be brought up on criminal charges of conspiring to mutiny. The OathKeepers are a bunch of crackhead gun freaks who say the love Jezus and hate fags. They would not exist if McCain had one the election, but since we have a half-black man in the White House, oh, they gotta promise that the Big Bad Socialist Gubbermint will never make them do anything that they wouldn’t do anyway.

    What a crock of crap. Those people are really killing the conservative movement. They make conservatives look like a bunch of scared rabbits looking for a Lead Dingbat to show them the way out of the wilderness. Chris, you ought to run for office as a mainstream GOPER… you’ve been more articulate than any of those morons at OathKeepers or any other pseudo-”patriot” movement. They are a pimple on the rump of the GOP trying to turn into a carbuncle.

    OK, I’m down for the count.


    adminNo Gravatar

    8 Jul 10 at 8:38 pm

  59. Don’t get me wrong about the socialism thing…I think it can exist but I think it can co-exist with Capitalism…we’ve proven that and we just need to fine tune it. Why I don’t think Socialism will work 100%? Well someone put it to me like this…the world will always need ditch diggers and paying someone the same amount as a person aspires to be a doctor is ridiculous….9 times out of 10 a person would pick up a shovel if they knew they could make as much money as a doctor. Plus having your govt. control the means of production again leads to corruption (which we already can see happen today with some govt. run programs) Look at what occurs in the police dept. today….tons of overtime given when it would be economically smarter to hire a few more police officers. OR look at how our govt. officials use there positions to gain knowledge for the stock market, back door deals allowing leaniancy(sp?), etc….govt. officials corrupted to the core….that is why our govt. officials should only be given power to be referees so to speak making sure corporations run fairly and appropriately….just to name one job of the govt.
    Your point on the AZ law is when we catch a criminal…which that is when they ask for I.D….which all states do anyway…most officers site us with a ticket or give us a warning for not having I.D. What I find funny is that California Penal Code sec. 834b states EXACTLY what the AZ law states. Anyway…that is part of the law..if you commit a crime or traffic violation and an officer ask for I.D. (drivers license) and you don’t have one then steps are taken to prove you’re a legal resident….I have more faith in my police dept. and as I said, sure you might get 1% of the officers that are racist and look at any means to check I.D. but with our technology today they will get busted….80% of police vehicles have cameras and audio so its pretty hard for them to make stuff up. Plus if you look at AB1070 it gives illegals an option to sue if proven the officer didn’t have probable cause to ask for I.D.
    Securing our Border is true our troops could do more training on the border and we should have more stations along the borders…perfect training grounds. But I just had a friend come back from Texas who was working on the wall and funding was cut by the Obama administration so they had to stop construction.
    Yes….I agree we need to look at making the process easier to become a citizen….that way we can keep track of people in the U.S. and wouldn’t give people the excuse to not be illegal….and give them more rights in the work force.
    The lying thing in regards to liberals lol….I think my friends who are teachers would be offended you called them air-headed lol.
    I think you’ll find that most people who are conservative (I hate being placed as a “righty” or “republican”) are like me but for some reason when they get on a computer they can start spewing some of the dumbest sh#t…which I have a conservative friend that has a tendancy to do that….like he morphs into a different person but if he were having a conversation in person he is much more respectable and thoughtful…funny what anonymity does to people.
    Patriot act bothers me too…but what do u do when we have so many nationalities living in one country and we don’t know who could be our enemy? I mean 9/11 over 3k people killed within an hour and everyone was like wtf? Obviously, they admitted to having more “cell terrorists” in our country…how would you find them? And if Bush didn’t do anything don’t you think people would have went for his head…well at least more than a shoe;)…plus we should remember that more than a majority of our representatives signed it into law…it just wasn’t Bush who created the law.
    Yes the extreme right conservatives frustrate me….go waaaay to far but I think we can find that on both sides of the isle. You have that 5% of the crowd that you want to throw over the cliff. Example the pink ladies….they can be a little over the top…have you ever watched the videos of them protesting the marine headquarters in Berkley? So we have extremists on both sides of the fence we both would like to say behind them in a silent lip reading manner…”not with us”. Lol
    Lol…I like your dingbat analogy lol
    Funny you said that about running….no way I would be able too lol. Plus, my wife says I am more biapartisan….I almost call myself a centralist but then I looked that word up and that is NOT a political word I want to be associated with lol.

    chrisNo Gravatar

    10 Jul 10 at 7:34 am

  60. Qu1n1an emailed me that he’d be out-of-pocket this weekend so I’m up. My last student for the day just left, nice gent, Viet Nam vet who took a slug through the front of his thigh that exited out his tailbone. He has no tailbone any more, but is OK in general.

    I think the thing with socialism is that people get it confused with equalization of wealth. It’s really not that at all. What it is, simply, is that we agree that the state can do things better than individual businesses can in certain cases. We have already agreed as a society that our police and fire departments, military, intelligence, and so on, are best done by our government. We have decided that we should make sure that our elderly have a minimum standard of living and medical care. Now we have extended that to our poor (over the next few years). This is not income equalization at all, so the ditch digger/doctor paradigm is irrelevant. However, to me it makes perfect sense to extend socialism to health care, to funeral care, to colleges and universities (except Beck U), and so on. This isn’t to “equalize” anything, it’s for the betterment of our country. We need healthy, educated people to drag us into the 21st century, whether Beck and Falwell and the GOP agree to it or not. Who gives a shit about them? They are trying to hold us back as a nation, they are trying to solve everything with “tough love” instead of realism. I do not want to go to the ER like I did in 2006 with acute appendicitis and have it perforate while I was waiting for an effing MD to please give me some friggin morphine, or ANYTHING. That’s exactly what happened, I ended up spending a WEEK in the hospital for what should have been in and out.

    The Arizona law is totally based on fallacies. Please read this.

    I can’t speak for Qu1n1an but I think the right wing media is chock full of liars with an agenda to turn this country into a bunch of jingoistic, ‘exceptionalist’, grabbastic, entitled, money-worshiping assholes who would rather step over somebody dying in the street than help them out. The premise is that we have some kind of individual and collective “right” to take anything we want from any other country by force because of any array of excuses. Oh, we need that oil. Oh, we helped them in WWII. Oh, we “beat” the USSR (that’s the absurd meme of the ignoramus Reagan-worshiper). Fox News lies constantly. It’s not just that they lie, they lie and then they draw false conclusions from the lie. Then one of their other news shows quotes “some sources” as saying the lie, and the echo chamber rebounds with dis- and mis-information. It’s totally sickening, it’s anti-American, it’s counterproductive, it’s blocking us finding solutions because we can’t have any honest conversations about critical issues that are destroying our country because the RWNJ in the media clog the pipes with fake bullshit.

    Take global warming for example. The story hit a few months back that the stolen emails “proved” that global warming is a hoax. They proved nothing of the sort and that is a FACT. But all that has to happen is you get the spokes-models at Fox News flapping their gums, and then Limbaugh goes for it, then the next thing you know there are “serious questions” about the validity of the science. It’s called “junk science”. BULL SHIT. It’s real science, and since I’m old and sick I really don’t give a fuck any more except for my grand kids, but it just pisses me off that we live in the age of instant communications and it has been corrupted by these dickheads that would rather watch the planet become uninhabitable than have an honest, open conversation about global warming. BTW, in case you’re wondering about the emails please read this:

    Well, Chris, I have to stop here, I hope this wasn’t too harsh sounding. I’m not pissed at you, I wish that there were more conservatives who were open and realistic. Our problems are not going to be solved by whether a left or right solution is the best; the solution has no political value, it’s just a solution. So it frustrates the hell out of me that Obama can’t use his bully pulpit (or won’t) to just say “Look. No more oil or gas drilling until the EPA and the MMS get their shit together. Period. We’ve been running on foreign oil for the last 100 years, we can do it for another year while we figure out how to get off of it.”

    We know for a PLAIN FACT that we can put 7% of the fuel used for transportation back into the pipe by lowering the speed limit to 55 mph. Yet no one, NOT ONE of our spineless elected officials has the nutsack to suggest this to the public. They already know that the American character has been corrupted by right wing media; Americans now think they have “rights” to drive as fast as they want because they’re Americans. Screw the environment, screw the road safety, screw the soldiers we have around the world in oil wars. They just wanna drive fast. That’s the TeaBagger/Fox News mentality to a Tee. I will drive my Big Fucking SUV as fast and as far as I want at the most inefficient speed it runs at because I’m an Exceptional American.

    Frankly, I think we’ve already been killed, we just don’t know we’re dead yet.


    adminNo Gravatar

    10 Jul 10 at 10:52 am

  61. Oh, Iam not confused with socialism…I understand that the state controls the means of production but I would like to point out that I do like your certain cases where socialism exists in the U.S. BUT I would like to point out that do any of these govt. programs run in the black? Beurocratic(sp?) tape kills most of our already run govt. entities to me anyway. So limited to the ones you stated plus education is fair in my book. The ditch digger/doctor paradigm was merely pointing out that if our govt. controlled all means of production and the only reason I would say health should be a public option is the fact that looking around the world most govt. run health care systems lack what we have today. You would have to read my past post about our rankings from “WHO” and my points on why our health is actually better than believed.
    Iam sorry to hear what happened to you in 2006…What was happening in the ER that night? Was it busy? Did there initial diagnosis not see it in time? I’ve heard of lots of people being misdiagnosed with acute app. Or not seeing it right off the bat. Emergency rooms are tricky places…acting quickly and deciding who needs to be treated first is usually based on initial comments from patients …or the obvious. Glad to hear that once they realized what they had that they were able to take care of you.
    I’ve based a lot of my decision on what doctors have told me and what I’ve heard from people who’ve moved to this country from govt. run health care systems. My example of our head coach who lost his job because of his back problems…waiting almost a year to have back surgery that would’ve been done within a week in the U.S.
    I cringe when I see articles from the huffington post…they are as liberal a newspaper as they get. I wanted to provide some statistics in regards to the AZ law and would say that some of the crime statistics can in fact be in relationship with Illegal immigrant activity…NOT that the law should be based on that but the fact that people are running around our country undocumented is what worries me most….there is no reason for that and I think that our conversation about how to get easier access to green cards or work visas should be appropriate. Here are some statistics I found:
    Global warming or climate change? I don’t buy into it…what I buy into is that I’ve been to L.A. and San Diego and can see what pollution does…which leads to why getting rid of fossil fuels is important. I am all for cleaning up and going green but for someone to tell me that going green means I will now have a “carbon tax” is utter B.S. Cap and trade is the most ridiculous thing I’ve heard of. I asked myself why Al Gore became such a big proponent considering he is no scientist and found some alarming things…#1 He owns part of a company that will be getting 3% of all the money exchanged thru cap and trade around the world..(think about that when we are talking TRILLIONS of dollars) and #2 He also has invested money in an electric car company. So
    Our world goes thru cycles its proven (Ice Age, deserts used to be jungles..etc.) , I don’t think there is anything we can do to stop it. BUT we can clean up and with our technology we can get off fossil fuels. Another thing I’ve looked into that Iam watching closely is how Obama is handling the off-shore drilling….George Soros was giving a LOT of money from our govt. and invested a LOT of his own money into an off shore drilling company from Brazil…I have my own theories in regards to that. And what scares me even more is that company is planning on drilling 5 or 10 miles below the sea bottom off brazil.
    I agree …no more oil or gas and just use our reserves….reality is that it will take our country more than 20 years to transition if we were to stop cold turkey right now…considering everything that runs of fossils and transitioning businesses and testing etc…..some people don’t realize that our aircraft and military technology is based on technology that is more than 20 years old….life cycles which from the inception (idea) to production usually takes 20 years. But I think if we stop importing and focused on it we could get off fossils entirely.
    I don’t think its fair to generalize on group and say they are the culprits to driving big SUV etc….that you stated. I know plenty of DEMS who believe in driving as fast and driving whatever they want. Teabaggers as you call them have a good intention…at one time I agreed with a lot of what they said and then the vultures started to take over….Republicans that couldn’t make it as Republicans started joining the cause…they tainted it my eyes. I was upset when Bush bailed out the corporations and then Obama kept what Bush did going….its utter B.S. Our country was built on Capitalism and other businesses would have devoured those companies that were ill-managed and going bankrupt…it happens everyday. Plus the Bank bail-out…B.S. That is what banks pay into the FDIC insurance for…..that money is suppose to fix that problem and our govt. didn’t let it do the job it was made to do in the first place after the stock market crash.
    Anyway…I must run….have church and community duties today. Hope you guys have a good Sunday

    chrisNo Gravatar

    11 Jul 10 at 8:10 am

  62. Hi, Chris…

    I am in a big hurry at the moment, but I just wanted to approve your comment and let you know it will be answered as soon as I have a chance… Also, and this is a tip, not a cheap Spelling Nazi thing… I use Firefox and it has a spellchecker that works with all or almost all of my web applications including a very good popup dictionary. I would be LOST without it… when I am writing notes for my student’s lessons I have to use pencil and comp book and my spelling is such mess you wouldn’t believe!


    adminNo Gravatar

    11 Jul 10 at 9:04 am

  63. Wexler,
    I noticed in your comments that you state that you are a proud Socialist. Thanks to the democrats and progressive movement the US is becoming just that. Socialism is based on a collective society. Meaning that all should do their part for the benefit of the collective. The government helps out by redistributing the wealth through taxes. So no matter how hard you work you will get the same as everyone else unless of course you are the one in power at the government level or have connections. There is one problem with this concept that everyone gets the benefits equally, seems over time society discovers that they don’t have to work so hard to get the same thing. So the welfare state grows until it out weighs the working class. Government raises taxes to support the welfare state and grows government programs to employ those that are not willing to provide for them selves. Eventually you run out of other peoples money. So a government is forced to use monetary inflation in order to pay its debts. You know I just heard that phrase recently. Hmm? Oh I know where, it was the CBO.GOV Directors BUDGET REPORT!

    And Chris, it’s not 5 or 10 miles, it’s 5000-10000ft. Yes, Soros did invest in Petrobras. What luck that the rigs in the gulf might be moved to Brazil.

    maxxNo Gravatar

    27 Jul 10 at 6:24 pm

  64. Yeah, I’m a proud, tax-paying citizen, have been all my life. So that means I have a clean conscience when it comes to driving on public roads, going to public libraries and buildings, feeling secure under the nuclear umbrella, and yes, helping people who are less fortunate than me. That’s what I consider to be good citizenship; I take pride in our public school system, once the crown jewel of the western world. I take pride in people who have fought hard and bled and cried and lost and won to bring the basic human rights to all citizens of our nation regardless of color. I salute the progressives who realized that there are better ways to govern, better ways to serve all citizens with equal services and dignity regardless of social standing and race.

    Your thesis seems to be that in order for socialism to work it has to be based on wealth redistribution. Well, maxx, you’re living in a wealth re-distribution world. You probably didn’t hear the story tonight on Countdown about the City Manager of Bell, California who just got cold busted for having jacked his salary up to almost $800k. The Asst. Mgr and the Police Chief got similar amounts. You see, that’s a perfect example of the wealth redistribution system at work. It’s people who can’t CONTROL the exchange of dollars having to PAY for it. Corporations are perfect little models of the Bell system, too. I’ve worked in a few in my days. There’s always some incompetent jackass who has risen to the peak of his incompetence running the business into the ground, and just before it crashes and burns, golden parachute.

    The moral? Little people get screwed by big people. Corporations screw their workers, companies screw their investors and their workers, it’s a wealth distribution system of epic proportions and guess where the money is going, maxx? It’s going UP THE FOOD CHAIN.

    That’s right, maxx, all of this socialist wealth redistribution that you posit isn’t really happening. But there really IS something happening, maxx, and that is that wealth is moving UP the food chain. The rich are getting richer, the poor are getting poorer, and the middle class is… well… it’s sort of evaporating.

    I had to laugh. A few weeks ago it came to my attention that Glenn actually contended that yeah, the middle class is shrinking… they’re moving into the UPPER class! LOL that’s so freaking hilarious I thought I might spit my beer about that. But how many of YOU Beckerheads took that in and believe it? Do you believe that the middle class is moving to the upper class, maxx? Because it’s NOT, maxx. A simple look at the US Census figures shows us what’s happening and it’s not pretty. There are more people living in poverty now than ever before in our history. There are hundreds of thousands of households that are one paycheck away from foreclosure on that icon of American investments, their own HOUSE.

    Your side makes a common mistake when you think and talk about government. You equate the size of the government with the size of the haul they take in every year in taxes. That’s not the way it works. I wish you would get that straightened out because it confuses a lot of people, mostly on your side.

    What was the Bush Administration’s motivation when it set up the corporate tax system so that companies could rent a PO box in Cabo and then claim to be a foreign company exempt from US regulations and taxes? And what was the motivation when it made the tax system a convenient excuse to send factories overseas?

    Where do you think wealth comes from, maxx? It comes from value added to materials, doesn’t it? So you can have a pile of iron ore and a bunch of bricks and some coal and a few pieces of smelting equipment, but you don’t have steel yet. It takes the people with the knowhow and the back muscles to put together the steel mill and get it running. And it takes the workers on the floor to risk their necks out there handling white hot steel to make it into something Yet on top of that class of people, let’s call them the creators, is another class, let’s call them the leeches. They don’t produce a goddam thing, all they do is go to their cubicle to shuffle papers every day and meet and drink coffee and make reports. Sometimes that part of the business, the leeches, suck just as much money or even MORE per capita than the people on the floor who are actually creating the product. That doesn’t seem right, does it? Does it? Why should someone who knows nothing about what’s happening on the factory floor make 2 or 3 or 400 to 500 times more than the highest paid person on the floor and for that money what they do is ship the factory overseas?

    Now maxx, this is your first post here, and it’s not a bad one. Did I run into you at that goofball GOPER site this morming? Wow, what a turn off. “Primitives”? WTF is that all about? I think Frankie ought to check his chest and see if he can find something to stuff in that giant hole where his heart ought to be. Jesus. So maxx, let’s talk about this. Not the other site, but this topic that you posted to. It’s Glenn Beck Lies. If you would like we can talk about a specific thing that I listed that you don’t think is a lie, or you can do whatever you want. Just don’t try to whip up support for Rand Paul, that’s all I ask. (haha, little joke there).

    I don’t always have time during the day to check for posts, so don’t feel bad if your post isn’t approved right away or if I approve it but don’t answer right away.

    Have a good evening.

    adminNo Gravatar

    27 Jul 10 at 7:16 pm

  65. I just found your site, and while I haven’t read every comment yet, I have appreciated the honest discourse. And collecting the lies of GB is certainly a vital service. Especially with the birth of the uber-ridiculous GB University. Argh. It pains me.
    If you haven’t discovered her yet, here’s an excellent source for you. She debunks Beck point for point.
    Thanks very much for this site.

    KatyAitchNo Gravatar

    29 Jul 10 at 1:14 pm

  66. Wow. Nice link, nice comment. Thank you very much.

    Quinlan and I view this task as a public service and also one way of expressing our civic responsibility. So we take this deadly serious. Thank you again for the link, and I will contact MS Rodda after I read her book, which looks like an excellent source of material.

    I am working on 3 pages at the moment and one long overdue post about the contest between the Mormons and Fundies for control of the fringy right. I have to admit that I was somewhat amazed when Liberty U hired Beck to give the commencement speech. That was a holy cow moment for me.

    The pages in progress are The History of Progressives, Who Fought The Nazis, and Glenn Beck-Domestic Terrorist. The one that’s maybe not quite obvious as to subject is Who Fought The Nazis. This page will be about the German resistance movement, the people who actually fought to prevent Hitler and the Nazis from taking power and then continued with assassination plots. The point of this page should be apparent to any Glenn Beck aficionado. Beck is always saying that Progressives and leftists and socialists are the same as Nazis and that we would have been fighting to put Hitler in power. Absolute poppycock. The progressives, students, intellectuals, artists, and many other groups of similar belief were the ones who fought the rise of Hitler and paid with their lives. This, as well as who the progressives are and where we came from, needs to be corrected because Beck is jerking everybody’s chain with the “progressive” label the same way Rush Limbo did with the “liberal” label.

    The irony of Glenn Beck giving history lessons, starting a “university”, and using the anniversary of the “I have a dream” speech to pull off a stunt at the Lincoln Memorial called “restoring honor” is so overwhelming that it takes one aback. It’s hard to process. I think it ought to be funny, so Stewart and Colbert can make hay with it. But goldmonger Beck is taking this and the faithful for a big, long ride and it needs to be dealt with before we have more situations like this….

    Glenn Beck’s Incendiary Angst Is Dangerously Close to Having a Body Count Eric Boehlert is who has convinced me to get off my duff and put up the “Domestic Terrorist” page. I hope to have it up soon.

    Thanks again for the kind words & great link!


    adminNo Gravatar

    29 Jul 10 at 2:03 pm

  67. [...] program" | Media Matters for America There are entire websites full of Glenn Beck lies. Glenn Beck Lies | The Glenn Beck Report Now, before you call the sources "bogus," disprove something from one of the sources. [...]

  68. within the last week or so I watched a GB episode where he said Teddy Roosevelt made a statement along the lines that “having negros in america was the problem and abolishing slavery was not the solution” I can’t find and negative black comments from Teddy … please help … is this more miss information ??

    Peter HardyNo Gravatar

    5 Aug 10 at 8:10 am

  69. I don’t have the quote, but you know Beck makes stuff up all the time.

    I find it HIGHLY suspect that Roosevelt would have said that. I am writing a page about the Progressive movement that debunks every lie that Glenn Beck has told about Progressives. Teddy Roosevelt was the first Progressive to achieve prominence in American politics. He is also one of the most beloved figures in American history, for his courage and undaunted spirit, especially when fighting against the corruption of big business. Here’s a link to an excerpt of Roosevelt’s State of the Union address from 1906. He deals with a lot of racial tension of the time in frank language you might expect from a reality-based thinker. (Remember the context… this was 104 years ago so the language is now somewhat non-PC.)

    If you read carefully to the end of this speech, you will find out what Roosevelt’s position on race relations was. He was ahead of his time. He also said something that should make the hair on the back of Beckerheads’ necks stand on end…

    Be it remembered, furthermore, that the individuals who, whether from folly, from evil temper, from greed for office, or in a spirit of mere base demagogy, indulge in the inflammatory and incendiary speeches and writings which tend to arouse mobs and to bring about lynching, not only thus excite the mob, but also tend by what criminologists call “suggestion,” greatly to increase the likelihood of a repetition of the very crime against which they are inveighing.

    Of course, they’d have to understand what it means. Probably a lost cause in that respect.

    Thanks for your question. You should consider the source carefully; yesterday Glenn Beck tweeted the link to a white supremacist site. That tells you where this Mormon lad stands on race.


    admin(Wexler)No Gravatar

    5 Aug 10 at 8:30 am

  70. This site and the idiots that write and respond are all silly wackos.You must be grammer school students.
    You jerks are the shame of America.
    You lie.What you claim he says ;He backs up with your hero’s own words.
    Get a life

    Norm JamesNo Gravatar

    5 Aug 10 at 1:48 pm

  71. Actually, it’s hard to tell from your post to whom you are referring. If you’re referring to the people who manage the site, you’re just wrong.

    If you’re referring to the Beckerheads who follow the Mormon cult racist homophobe Glenn Beck, then I’d say you were right.

    Just a side note; you shouldn’t accuse people of being “grammar school students” when your own writing is so unclear as to make it impossible to decipher. Just trying to be helpful.


    admin(Wexler)No Gravatar

    5 Aug 10 at 3:08 pm

  72. A person with 1/2 a brain would have realized I am a Beck supporter and referenced ALL of your brain dead,Obama your Messiah worshippers.
    Most of your clan probably never watched Beck.If you did :You would realize he PROVES every point he makes.
    I can’t wait until Obama the great causes this ,used to be, great country to collapse.
    Hail the conquorer.

    Norm JamesNo Gravatar

    7 Aug 10 at 8:19 am

  73. Norm…

    Well, well. We got us a live one heah.

    Look, dummy, if you knew how to read and write plain English, I wouldn’t have had to ask you who you were talking about, now, would I? Of course not. But now that I know that you are a Beckerhead, I understand completely. You and your fellow travelers speak and understand gibberish expertly.

    Just a FYI, I did not vote for Obama. If you voted for McCain/Palin, you are not only an idiot, you’re also a tool. Since you worship a dunderhead who has no education, whose mother committed suicide to get away from, and whose drug and alcohol abuse have obviously damaged his brain, I’m betting you are a GOPER right down to the shit stain in your knickers.

    You have failed. You failed because you don’t know even the basic concepts about how to argue. Your argument is “My guy is great, I’m assuming that Obama is your guy, and I’m accusing you of worshiping him, and he sucks.” Yet this is all based on assertions and assumptions that aren’t proven and you don’t even bother to make the tiniest effort to support.

    This page is called Glenn Beck Lies. You waltzed in here and started posting smack about anyone who writes negatives about Beck or thinks he’s a douchebag (which he is). If you want to discuss Glenn Beck Lies, then why don’t you point to one of them on this page and explain why it’s NOT a lie.

    Because you can’t. You are an intellectual midget and a moral coward. Which is exactly why you follow Glenn Beck, the demagogue that Teddy Roosevelt warned us about 100 years ago.

    PS I would strongly suggest, after your references to brains, that you avoid becoming a brain surgeon. You don’t have it.

    admin(Wexler)No Gravatar

    7 Aug 10 at 8:50 am

  74. Wexler.
    Well, thank you.
    Your site was sent to me by a dunderhead from California who is an athiest and Progressive.I guess he just wanted to give me proof I was wrong,politically.
    Anyway.I still stand by my statement that all or most of your posters have never watched even one Beck show.
    Therefore I may have incorrectly labeled the poaters wrongly.I assumed , as I also shouldn’t have done that because he sent me the URL that you all were dunderhead Obama supporters.
    No.I didn’t vote for Mc Cain.I stayed home for the first election since I was 21.I also do not think Palin is ready for the executive office.I also promote the defeat of McCain who although he was a war prisioner;He is a very Progresive/Liberal RINO.If he runs in 2012 , God forbid , It will be the 2nd time I stay home.
    And yes;I am a surgeon but not of the brain.
    Please do not have a heart attack.

    Norm JamesNo Gravatar

    7 Aug 10 at 10:30 am

  75. The site only has two people that post articles. Both of us have watched or listened to Beck so much that we’ve nearly been physically sick. Here’s some proof that I watch it:

    admin(Quinlan)No Gravatar

    7 Aug 10 at 10:59 am

  76. Norm…

    I don’t watch his shows. I do something even WORSE. I pore over transcripts of his hate speech and bullshit to list his lies. There are lots of ways to lie. If you’re a reader, check out the book by Sissela Bok on the topic.

    McCain is not a Progressive or liberal. He’s a blatant opportunist. You can find a sound bite of McCain on at least 2 sides of every major issue. But if you look at the GOP OBJECTIVELY you will see that most of their leadership will take whatever position is politically convenient at the moment. Lately if you’ve been paying attention you would see the GOP voting against their OWN BILLS.

    I’m no big fan of the Democrats because they are deeply engaged with Big Business, but not as much as the GOP is. The GOP has worn out their welcome in this country because they have ruthless politicians like Karl Rove and Newt Gingrich formulating clever tactics instead of sound ideas. They are fracturing from the right and the left. There’s been a lot of noise about how much they’re going to do in November, but I don’t believe it. I don’t believe that Americans are stupid enough to think that this economic recession is anybody’s fault except the GOP who have pushed for union busting, off-shoring, Wall Street shenanigans, bad environmental policy, bad workplace safety policy, and everything else they have done to fuck the 80% of working Americans who have to suffer their greed.

    If you’re a heart surgeon, please let me know where you practice so I can avoid a chance encounter in the ER.

    admin(Wexler)No Gravatar

    7 Aug 10 at 11:42 am

  77. I’m glad that there are discussions out there about terms like socialist, communist, and fascist being thrown around. The “S” word, the “C” word, and the “F” word on tv aren’t appropriate for young audiences! It’s a poor argument tactic for distracting your opponent.

    Since the opponent here is Glenn Beck, I would be happy to do battle. If anyone questions why there are so few debunkings here, I would look to every opponent that has stated here their difficulty in stomaching his rants. I have to agree with those opinions in that I find difficulty in watching Glenn Beck’s program without becoming physically ill.

    While I try to avoid biases as well, I do read skewed views in order to stay informed, but just hope that I am still able to form my own opinion despite the influence. I attempted to stomach the show today, August 7th, so I will name one of the comments that bothered me. Glenn Beck invited an audience of teenagers onto his show as well as David Barton. He claimed that there is no call for separation of church and state by the constitution, and also quoted an Air Force training manual from the 50s to show how the military was encouraged by the Bible at one time. So, he’s attempting to prove that our laws should be based on Christianity, it seems, even though we have freedom of religion.

    As for the separation of church and state, is freedom of religion not just that?

    “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

    This sounds like unless the religion violates the rights of others, as it specifically says “peaceably to assemble,” the government should not interfere with religion nor be influenced by it. The website referenced,, seems to offer this information stylishly framed in addition to online quotes. This may make a good Hanukkah present for Glenn Beck if anyone is trying to decide what to get him this year. He also mentioned today that he loves the menorah.

  78. Thanks for your comment and approval. But actually, the reason there’s not more content isn’t because we can’t watch his show, it’s because we just don’t have time. This is a two man operation, but we do work as much as possible to bring you the best content possible.

    Thanks again.

    admin(Quinlan)No Gravatar

    7 Aug 10 at 3:20 pm

  79. Reading transcripts can be misleading as to the transcribers political leanings.
    And yes; I also get a little disturbed with some of his antics especially the tears.
    McCain is indeed an opertunistI pray he get’s voted out.
    Yes,the parties are in bed with big business , however, they are the ones that produce and provide the jobs.
    The past adminustrations have allowed out businesses to ship a large percentage of our jobs out of the country because of restrictions but mainly greed.
    The politico’s are scared stiff of the word Tariff.
    Our unemployed rate at 9.5 % is false.It’s more like 17 to 20 %.How mwny folks would be happy to take the jobs they shipped overseas and to Mexico.
    Speaking of Mexaco;Why does Obama want amnisty like Reagan and Bush wanted for Illegals? If he suceeds;We will have one party and he also is an oppertunist alond with his appointments.
    With Beck & O’Reilly;Why does FOX beat all the competitors in ratings.We are sick of clowns like Keith Ober????.
    If you don’t recognize the trend towards Socialism;I could never help you.Just look at his people advising him.They were all fanatics in the 60′s.Enough.
    Finally the suposidly Seperation Clause.
    Our founders excaped from England where they had no choice of religion because the government,KING, banished it if it wasn’t the Church of England.
    The clause was not included to protect the government from the people.It was to protect the people from the government by demanding there be a one nation religion..Everyone seems to add “seperation of Church and State ” which was added to the minds of our citizens.they miss the statement following “establishing a religion”
    God is a being made foolish in schools ,etc.
    We have a right to believe what we may not what the government dictates.
    What is wrong with Beck stating he loves the Menorah???I am not Jewish , however,I respect their beliefs and support with all my being ;The safty of Israel.If you are a believer you know the Jewish people are God’s people.
    I won’t tell you where I practice because I lost 2 or 3% of my opperations and I never know who will make up that percentage.Besides I’m getting old and near retirement so no matter how badly you want me to help you;I won’t be around.That’s why I love the internet.It fills my days.

    Norm JamesNo Gravatar

    8 Aug 10 at 7:57 am

  80. Norm…

    Oddly, I agree with everything you posted up to the word “appointments”. Maybe that means that all of us political radicals have more in common than we thought. LOL

    OK, after that you start losing me. The frequent argument that Fox has a bigger audience is the Fallacy of Popularity. 99 out of 100 lemmings believe they will make it to Greenland. No need to insult KO. Yes, he’s partisan, and yes, he’s off the mark at times, but he has a big heart and little tolerance for injustice. I think you might be able to appreciate that, at least a little?

    It doesn’t matter who Obama has advising him. If he had Karl Marx himself it wouldn’t mean anything about where the government is going. In fact, Obama has continued most of Bush’s policies both foreign and domestic. There is no socialist trend. The TARP was redistribution of wealth from the poor to the rich. (Bush) The stimulus was a pork barrel plan ballyhooed as necessary to save the economy and berated by many “conservatives” who nonetheless enjoy their piece of the bacon. Who knows if the Stimulus saved the economy? It’s not saved yet. And we’ll never know what would have happened if it hadn’t passed. But it’s STILL not socialism. There was never any effort of the government to take over either the resources or the means of production. The government gave help to companies and banks to keep them afloat. That’s not socialism.

    You are just wrong about the Establishment Clause. Please do some more reading on this topic. Courts have ruled correctly over the years that the government should not promote any religion, nor discourage any religion. Allowing any religious symbols or activities in publicly funded places (like schools) is un-Constitutional, and if you think a bit harder about how and why our nation was founded by Europeans you should be able to see why. They came here to escape religious persecution, not to establish a state with a particular religion. I disagree totally with your premise that “God is being made foolish in schools, etc.” Not at all. God is not allowed in schools. However, God was allowed 10 minutes of conservative preacher Rick Warren’s time in the Inauguration, which was a slap in the face to about 40% of Americans.

    You know who came up with the idea that Jews are “God’s chosen people”? The Jews.

    I’m happy for you with your upcoming retirement; please fill up some of your internet time by posting here and writing to Quinlan and me.


    admin(Wexler)No Gravatar

    8 Aug 10 at 9:32 am

  81. Dear Wexler,

    I appreciate what you’re doing here. I didn’t mean to speak for you, only to defend the argument made on here that lack of evidence proves lack of its existence. Spending too much time thumbing through his transcripts would be a waste of your obvious intelligence anyway.


    Your analysis of the “separation of church and state” issue is surprisingly familiar. You echoed Glenn Beck’s sentiments exactly, which is what scares me. I can’t argue with your ratings numbers as I don’t know the accurate numbers, but whatever they are, they are higher than they should be. Popularity doesn’t prove that something is right. You should think more about the arguments he’s making instead of just repeating what he says-word for word-as you’ve done here.

    I have no problem with him liking the menorah. It was a sarcastic reference to a silly comment he made to prove his tolerance of other religions. He made an offensive comment about Muslims, but to show that he isn’t a bigot, said “Hey, I like the menorah.” This doesn’t prove that he isn’t ignorant, but only that he isn’t biased against ALL religions. This is what I mean about taking a close look at his arguments. His mention of the menorah wasn’t sharing his love for his own practices, since he’s a Mormon. I’m a Muslim and get tired of hearing how they are ALL terrorists. Clearly they all are not. The closest I will ever come to terrorism is a smart mouth.

    I also find annoying the talk of the new complex being developed just blocks from the World Trade Center, that will contain a mosque. Again, Muslims are all forced into a collective that bombed the World Trade Center. Is it freedom of religion when people are told that they can’t use a certain building for worship, even though there will be other things in the building as well? Even though it has been described more like a YMCA? FOX News clearly doesn’t approve of an Islamic Center within walking distance of the World Trade Center, but what if it were further away? The “terrorists” that drive taxi cabs in New York City could still drive them to the World Trade Center! Aaaaah! (Insert sarcasm here)

    Glenn Beck called the Islamic Center an “Allah tells me to blow up America mosque.” According to, there are close to 800,000 Muslims in New York, and at least 75 mosques. The number of mosques seems a little small compared to the number of worshipers. Mosques are often converted shops or buildings like these. Are the other mosques in New York an “Allah tells me to blow up America mosque?” I don’t understand why anyone would defend someone like Glenn Beck who makes ignorant comments like this. Saying this suggests that Muslims also do not know English very well. “America mosque?” Come on. There are America Muslims all over this country, and why should they be treated like outsiders? Perhaps they should be further away from the World Trade Center. How would he feel about Salt Lake City?

  82. You’re absolutely right about Muslims and the Ground Zero mosque. If all Muslims hated America, we’d be seeing taxi car bombs on a daily basis. The war at home would have started many years ago. I’ve always said, if we shouldn’t put a mosque at Ground Zero, let’s make it so that we can’t put a Christian church anywhere that a murder has taken place in the name of the Christian god. Which is just about everywhere.

    Thanks for your comment.

    admin(Quinlan)No Gravatar

    8 Aug 10 at 1:48 pm

  83. Thanks for your comment. I appreciate cogent and reasonable thoughts from everyone.

    As an atheist, I don’t have a dog in the fight, so to speak; but as an American, I feel I must defend the building on the same principle that allows churches to be built wherever they pop up like mushrooms.

    I may come back tomorrow and add more to this comment. I’m very tired.

    Thanks again.

    admin(Wexler)No Gravatar

    8 Aug 10 at 9:11 pm

  84. In reference to the seperation clause.
    Don’t you think government IS restricting religion by passing restrictive laws , especially with the Pledge of Alligence Christmas carols during that holiday,etc.
    You are probably right that they should not support the teaching of any one religion , however they have gone way over the edge on this.You claim courts have ruled the clause,yes they have.Activist liberal courts with many of the nutsy 60′s appointed Judges did.That recognition has only been around since the Warren court.Our Constitution has survived for over 200 years.Judges have way to much power.They add their own political views to cases ,not the Constitution.
    I have a belief that is personal and unproveable.
    This country ,on 2 occasions , went to war twice with the most powerful nation in the world,at that time.England.
    How did a country with no army or navy ,populated with farmers , defeat England;Not once but twice.Granted the war of 1812 had been settled before Andrew Jackson totally defeated a 10,000 British army ,in New Orlenes,with a mere 3 or 4,000. militia and granted the French formed a blockade of the harbor so the British troops could not leave.How could they ,Americans, win ???
    I realize I am possibly the only one who believes this , however,believing God’s love of the Jews and knowing everything that would happen in the future.Do you think possibly that Divine Porvidence ,GOD, intervened on the side of the Colonial army.That He knew Israel would need a protector and staunch protector in the distant future.There is more to this theory but enough said now.
    As a Christian I find it very hard to understand why ANY American Christian would ever even consider converting to Islam.Sharia law alone would detur me.Stoning their woman,4 male whitnesses to a rape that’s blamed on the woman,beheading as a legal punishment,ordering the killing of all infidels that won’t convert,and murdering one’s child in honor murder,murdering innocent doctors who help the people along with other Muslims,etc.etc.etc.
    This is not a religion;It’s a systimatic brainwashing of of the poor and ignorant.
    I don’t know what Beck feels about the WTC Mosque but I am totally against it being built there.It is an affront to those murdered on 9/11,period .
    Muslims want world domminance.Why in hell should we even considering helping them.Look no further than England,France and Germany and see what their enormous presence brings You say sarcastically, build it in Salt Lake City.I say build all they want in Cuba and that’s not being sarcastic.
    Your statement that ALL Muslims hate all non Islamic religions.No one can claim ALL to be realistic ,however, what does the Quran require??
    The world of the mighty scientists believe there is no God.That the universe began with the “Big Bang theory”.Who made this densly compacted matter that suposidly exploded? Was it always there?Can nothing begat something? It must have been awfully dense to create a universe that is so large our scientists cant even imagine how large and far it is.I know,I know. Who mad God? If He’s God as we consider God ; He is the only logical answer to have created something out of nothing.
    If there is no God;We Christians along with the Athist ,upon death , Will Never Know.You just die and rot like a vegetable into the soil.What a glorious end to a viable and rewarding life that would be.However, if we ,the Christian, is right.I think the key words upon death will be;Oh Shit.
    While this conversation is entertaining : It has no end and convinces no one.
    Please excuse any mis spelled words.Spelling is not my forte.

    NormNo Gravatar

    10 Aug 10 at 4:33 am

  85. Hi, Norm,

    Thanks for stopping in to comment. Before I get started, I just want to put up a disclaimer. Anything I say regarding your faith in this post is not intended to criticize your personal faith or try to turn you into an atheist.

    Regarding the “activist judges” thing. That’s GOP propaganda. It is the duty of the courts to interpret and uphold the Constitution. The Separation Clause is important in today’s pluralistic society. 16 plus per cent of Americans are atheist and we have significant numbers of other faiths that do not celebrate Christmas. So, court rulings to prohibit celebration of Christmas with public funding are appropriate; assuming Christians are the majority, they do not have the Constitutional right to make other people celebrate their religion along with them. Put the shoe on the other foot. What if the court ruled a “separate but equal” solution, and we also had Hanukkah, Ramadan, and Spring Solstice celebrations in schools and other public institutions. It would be one long orgy of religion. I shudder to think.

    Regarding your thoughts on God having chosen America, I offer up Occam’s Razor. If you are not familiar with this, it is the notion that the simplest explanation of what happened is usually the correct explanation. In the case of the American Revolution, I would agree that the British had superior forces. However, their supply and communication lines were 3675 miles and 3 months long. They didn’t stand a chance fighting an asymmetric conflict with a passel of fired-up TeaBaggers.

    By the time the Battle of NO rolled around, the British grunt was pretty much fed up with the whole notion of running around in the swamps fighting with a bunch of rowdies and pirates who, heaven forbid, refused to stand in a line in plain sight wearing a colorful uniform and take a bullet like an honorable man! Imagine what it must have been like for them; bad food, oppressive heat, snakes and ‘gators everywhere, trying to move a large force around in an unfamiliar, difficult theater with no transportation. It’s no wonder they threw in the towel. They probably had enough, just like the Jet Blue attendant who was in the news recently.

    I can assure you that the majority of modern Muslims do not believe that Sharia law trumps the laws of the state… any state… in which they live. There are always a few fanatics in every large group, though; so please bear that in mind when you evaluate statements by Islamophobes. I found this website that you may or may not find useful; however, it does point out how Islamic hate is being stirred up by right wing opportunists who are looking for a political issue. For this type of issue you need a scapegoat, and since they’ve already blamed just about everyone else, it’s American Muslims’ turn.

    Please visit and read: The American Muslim

    Gotta run. I am assuming Quinlan may have a few words to add to this.


    admin(Wexler)No Gravatar

    10 Aug 10 at 6:37 am

  86. Hi Norm-

    Wexler already did a pretty god job with most of your comment, but I want to add to the part about Muslims. You’ve been misinformed, propagandized, indoctrinated. Fear after 9/11 made the Bush administration teach people to start seeing a Muslim terrorist under every shrub. The vast majority of Muslims, American ones in particular, are kind and normal people. They may celebrate different holidays than you, but they definitely do not advocate stoning women or bombing buildings. The terrorist sect of Islam is tiny, and I mean tiny, compared to the percentage of non-violent Muslims. The problem is that all the news ever talks about in terms of Muslims is the ones doing bad stuff. The Koran, like The Bible, has both good and bad principles, lies and truths.

    How about this: Any place that a person calling themselves Christian has committed murder (which is basically everywhere), we can never again build a church within a 10 mile radius. There would be very few new churches – I would love that.

    admin(Quinlan)No Gravatar

    10 Aug 10 at 10:36 am

  87. [...] to lying On The View Glenn Beck Admits that He Doesn?t Check Facts | Politicususa Individuals Glenn Beck Lies | The Glenn Beck Report __________________ During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary [...]

  88. It must be exhausting to run the site AND torch fools and idiots.Managing nicely.My compliments sir.

    arneNo Gravatar

    15 Aug 10 at 1:00 am

  89. Thanks, arne.

    It’s a terrible job, but somebody’s got to do it! (Just kididng).

    We’re trying a kinder, gentler approach with fools and idiots now. Since Quinlan has come aboard, he’s mellowed me out quite a bit. So instead of torching them, I add our special seasonings and secret formulas to the porridge in their brains through the small holes already drilled into their skulls by the RWNJ. We are hopeful that some of them can be rescued but the results are still inconclusive.

    I’m goin’ fishin’. Thanks for the compliment and the post, arne. It’s appreciated!


    admin(Wexler)No Gravatar

    15 Aug 10 at 4:17 am

  90. Crusader Frank, the person who started this very long thread at the board linked, has put forward the thesis that the nutjob that got busted with a truck full of guns and a belly full of liquor on his way to shoot up the Tides Foundation had no influence from Glenn Beck.

    It’s already been established that the would-be mass murderer was a Beckerhead, and that if it wasn’t for Beck demonizing the Tides Foundation that nobody would even know about it.

    Crusader Frank asks “Are the Beatles responsible for Helter Skelter?” The answer is no. However, if they would have gone on TV every day and said “Sharon Tate is one of those Hollywood elite, you know what I’m talking about, the kind of people who hate America and are trying to destroy it with their hedonistic perverted sex and drugs, not to mention that they aren’t even really human. They’re a group of anti-American slimeballs that should be wiped out”. If the Beatles would have done that, wouldn’t you agree that they would have more complicity in it? Helter Skelter, Frank.

    admin(Wexler)No Gravatar

    15 Aug 10 at 6:02 am

  91. I like this clip.listen to Beck when asked about money becoming Americas god. He admits that money is his god,not in those words of course.

    arneNo Gravatar

    16 Aug 10 at 12:00 am

  92. [...] Quote: Originally Posted by Pale Rider Quote: Originally Posted by rikules so far as I can tell "the truth" and beck are NOT on speaking terms And of course you can readily point out all the LIES Beck tells… so let's have them… There are several sites that make it their business to collect the lies of Glenn Beck. If there were none, or even if they were few, why would that be necessary and why would these sites be so well sourced PROVING the lies? Here's one, but something tells me the Blechlovers won't even look. Glenn Beck Lies | The Glenn Beck Report [...]

  93. Sorry guys but I will be away in Florida for the next 2 months.
    I’d like to leave you all with one last statement.
    Ouch;Was that a rock that hit your head honey thrown by our peaceful friends.Is that God I see thru the bright lite???
    Been fun talking to you.

    Norm JamesNo Gravatar

    18 Aug 10 at 8:46 am

  94. Thank you. You liberal whackos…. the more you demonize the stronger we get! You lie…. Beck speaks the truth and please continue your disgusting lies as we grow stronger with each and every lie you spew out of your radical Un-AMERICAN mouths….. thank you again!

    ToniNo Gravatar

    20 Aug 10 at 7:08 am

  95. Hi, Toni,

    Thank you for your brilliant defense of Beck’s lies. Your choice of the word “demonize” is curious but appropriate, since Beck demonizes everything to the left of the JBS and all religious beliefs except his own skewed views of Xtianity. We don’t demonize Beck, we debunk him. We don’t believe in demons.

    Please come back in the future to demonstrate yet again how not ONE of you Beckerheads can defend JUST ONE of the lies debunked on this page.

    Not even one. Doesn’t that make you look like pathetic little fools? Oh, that’s right, that’s the definition of “Beckerheads”.

    admin(Wexler)No Gravatar

    20 Aug 10 at 7:17 am

  96. Yeah. How about you go ahead and prove us wrong on ONE of the lies that we’ve debunked. Just one. Good luck with that.

    admin(Quinlan)No Gravatar

    20 Aug 10 at 11:25 am


    CourtneywrightNo Gravatar

    26 Aug 10 at 8:26 pm

  98. Hi, Courtney.

    I’d just like to say that in my opinion, anybody that types an entire paragraph in all caps and makes a ton of grammatical errors is a dumbass. I’m sure you fit in well with all the other elementary school dropouts whose daddies taught them to praise Glenn Beck and Jesus.

    In terms of the other stuff, it really should be clear to people what is fact and what is opinion. People shouldn’t need that clarification. And if you bothered to check out our facts from sources other than Faux, you will find that we are on the correct side of the facts.

    Have a nice day wallowing in ignorance.

    admin(Quinlan)No Gravatar

    26 Aug 10 at 8:29 pm

  99. Here’s another Biblical favorite of mine: the wife of Lot. They were fleeing from Sodom and Gomorrah, and she is told not to look back. Well how could she possibly help herself? God supposedly gave us all curiosity, and I think two entire cities being obliterated behind her would force just about anybody to look back, if not for curiosity then for fear. She looks back, which God could have stopped her from doing, and she is permanently turned into a pillar of salt.

    admin(Quinlan)No Gravatar

    27 Aug 10 at 12:13 am

  100. Hi, Courtney,

    I’m one of the dumbass people writing this dumbass website, so let’s talk about your opinion that I’m a dumbass. Yes, I like how you added your opinion,

    Anyone can say or be anything they want on the internet but I’m going to just tell you the plain truth, so here it is.

    I had to re-invent myself a few times after dropping out of college to be a performing musician. That’s a rough business, as you know, but I got a toehold and made a nice living in that business for 15 years. Oh, more than a “nice living”, I guess, since I was making more money than my dad who had a PhD from Northwestern and was the chairman of a college music department. That’s pretty dumbass of me, isn’t it?

    One of the bands I played in during that period is a Hall of Fame inductee. Pretty dumbass, huh?

    After I retired from music I went back to finish my education and I graduated from college TWICE with a 4.0 GPA. One of the colleges was Texas A&M, where I got my electrical engineering degree. What a dumbass, omigawd.

    After 25 years in industry where I was a highly valued employee, heading departments as well as production teams at various times, being chief engineer on projects up to $25 million in transportation and public safety, I retired, ending my dumbass lucrative and rewarding career and guess what?

    I’m such a dumbass that now I have the best 3 jobs in the world. Being happily married, teaching music to children and a few adults, and writing this dumbass website. This is where I would normally write something along the lines of “Go f— yourself”, but Quinlan has coaxed me into being a lot more civil than I used to be with people like you.

    I couldn’t help but notice that you failed to point out ONE DUMBASS THING on this page that either is not a lie or that hasn’t been debunked by facts. Did you read any of it? Can you read and comprehend? Or are you a dumbass? I guess you can read or maybe you just got really dumbass lucky on the captcha code.

    Have a shitty, dumbass life out there in Woodland, Courtney.


    PS Your mother wears dumbass army shoes.

    admin(Wexler)No Gravatar

    27 Aug 10 at 6:57 am

  101. [...] [...]

  102. Hello,

    Tonight I was engaged in a political debate with a left leaning friend of mine while talking about Glenn Beck. I do watch him daily, or at least try to. I have not always agreed with his tactics but felt I was getting the truth. My progressive democrate older brother has been trying to pull me to his side for years. He is probably even more left then you guys are. In fact, he was asked to run for state office in our state by the democratic party as he is a public figure working in local news, and well liked. One thing more, I am the only GOP in my family, my father was a union man. So what happened to me? Well I became interested in the stock market in high school, then business in general. It seems that the GOP were pro business, and the Dems were pro labor. Growing up in the late 70′s and early 80′s I was seeing all of the news stories, and reading in the business papers how the unions were crushing the steel industry. Right or wrong, it made me side with business. As I became more interested in business, and economics it strengthened my position. Thats my back ground.

    Tonight my liberal friend sent me here. I started in, I read everything..been here now 6+ hours. The rants and name calling at times made me want to run, but I promised to read it and I did.

    I was getting pretty bored with the name calling and jabs…until I came to the posts from “Chris”. I was impressed that you both treated him with respect, even though you dissagreed with him. I respond more to that. I know that there are going to be a facts and two people will argue it from their own point of view…neither one is lying…yet they are opposite. My father is color blind, when he sees orange its really red, is he a liar when he says orange? Of course not. I spent the better part of a day awhile back (after another debate) to see who was right, did the New Deal help or prolong the great depression. I read tons, and still have no idea. It seems each side can cherry pick the graphs, the facts, the numbers and show them in their best light to support their conclusion.

    Example: Today my wife said I dont do any work around the house…I hear that and think, g, I just mowed the yard, washed the car and cleaned the kitchen…but did it all before she woke up late this morning. All afternoon I watched TV…and she is folding laundry. She is upset I am not helping her…then we argue. Who was right? well I guess both of us, I should have helped her, and she should have noticed what I did before proclaiming I NEVER do anything. I think politics is the same way. They ALL do it, Iread once that the end of real news came with the 24 hour news. They had to find things to keep the eyes tuned in. On a slow news day…well you stoke the flames of dissagreements and watch the “news” pour out…and the earnings come in! I think that after a few years these dissagreements have taken a life on it itself. Now nobody trusts anybody, everyone spins everything and the regular people like in my small midwestern town are scared that the republic is going down in flames.

    Back to topic…I have to admit, that I am coming away with a hmmm maybe not all of Glenn is 100%…though I think I knew that anyway. When Glenn says he got into this for his kids sake I would agree with him. But to say he is lying, in my own humble opinion, is not true. I believe that he believes every word of what he says. Maybe he is crazy…but I have seen things discussed on his show that people called him crazy on come true. For example he was saying last year that the feds were going to monetize our own debt..and at the time everyone was saying that simply wont happen, he is crazy. Then last week or so…well guess what!

    My growing hunger for economic and political truth is rooted in my kids. I am really scared for them, my girls are 14 and 17. Both are ok in school, average. I recently started my own restaurant design business partly because I may have to employ them someday. I cant see how we as a nation can keep borrowing and borrowing. I read on some stock market site, forget which one or I would post it that next year a massive dept auction is to happen to keep us afloat. There is speculation China will not buy this debt without a large interest rate. It will force such a cutback that Moodys who rates debts world wide said that the drastic cuts that WILL be needed will strain the social fabric of the US. (something to that effect) I worry what happens when a segment of the public who is used to a handout for whatever reason, doesnt get one. To have a large amount of people hungry, scared and angry is what is scaring me. Pictures out of Greece scares me. Maybe im simply not smart enough to see the reasons this wont happen, or that things really are ok and I have just been duped into being scared. And Im not the only one that is scared…its the talk of just about everyone I know.

    Sorry for getting off track. My purpose of my comment is to thank you for the exchange you had with Chris. I learned much from that exchange, points that I will be exploring on my own. But in reading at the way you responded to Chris was showing me that your disdain isnt for GOPERS or beckheads its for people who are close minded, or do their own name calling.

    I personally will be back here from time to time. There will be times I will yell at the monitor at things you say, as I do listening to the Left station on my Siruis radio….but I also know that I would much rather have a conversation with you guys then many conservative friends of mine. Its much more fun to actually discuss then to bash.

    So keep it up, and I look forward to maybe even exchanging ideas and maybe you can help show me where I am wrong on things. BUT…you have not yet swayed me on Beck. haha

    Thanks for the nice evening!

    LarryNo Gravatar

    29 Aug 10 at 4:10 am

  103. Hi, Larry,

    Thank you for your interesting, cordial, thoughtful, useful, and delightful comment. And may the entire Wicca pantheism (or fill in the deity of your choice) bless you for taking the time to read the ENTIRE SITE! Wow! I have been going back and looking at some of it over the last three days to see what people are reading, especially some of the articles I haven’t looked at for a while. Some of it is pretty brutal. But I don’t find myself wanting to correct anything, which means to me that what Quinlan and I have written stands up to the test of time.

    I’m guessing by your comment that you and I are one generation apart. You have kids the same ages as my grandkids. I fully understand and can relate to the concern you have for them. To compound this, I recently worked as a half-time staffer at a private college. I got to know some of the graduating seniors pretty well. These were young men and women graduating with music teaching or performance degrees from a very prestigious college, and their prospects for working in their field were… dismal. Except for one cat named Kevin, who I met right before his senior recital. He was jaw-droppingly proficient on piano and sax. I’m sure I’ll see him on TV someday. But I digress. The point is, what are the rest of our kids going to do? We don’t manufacture much here any more, and the trend over the last years has been to outsource the things we had left, such as call centers. I fear for your kids as well as my grandkids.

    I won’t be able to answer your entire comment today but I would like to address a couple of points, and then come back to it. I hope that’s OK, but since it’s Sunday, I have to go find a live goat to sacrifice on the alter of Woden I have in the back yard. (Just kidding. We kid with love).

    I found it extremely interesting and cosmically coincidental that you should mention the steel industry as being influential in awakening your interest in economics. Just this Saturday I was having a conversation about economics with one of my students who’s about my age, and a Viet Nam Purple Heart vet, and that topic came up. I was standing in a laundromat, must have been around 1980 or so, and I came across an anti-union flyer put up by US Steel. (We lived nowhere near steel manufacturing). What it contended was that high labor costs and cheap imports were driving the steel business under and before long all you were going to see is foreign steel.

    I think you’re going to find me on your dad’s side of the union struggle. But let me preface this with the thought that I have always thought that union and management can coexist to the benefit of both sides. I will also say that during my life in industry, I was an electrical engineer, so that put me on the “company” side. In many projects I did, I was in the trenches with the electricians and mechanics, sometimes assisting them, just because it was the right thing to do to get the job done. A union purist would say that I shouldn’t have done that because I was taking away a union job. I am sympathetic to that point of view. However, in practical terms, especially considering that I did almost all my career in “right-to-work” states (translates as “union busting”) I suppose I was operating within the environment.

    Back to the union argument. In the workplace equation, the only commodity that a worker owns is their own labor. It’s theirs to sell and as an individual, you have no negotiating power against the companies, which means they hold all the cards. If you don’t like it, you can head on down the road. However, if you agree to surrender some of your autonomy to a union, you can form a bargaining unit that has more power and therefore you can negotiate over such things as wages, hours, benefits, job protections, a grievance procedure, and so on. This does not pit the worker against the company, it simply puts them on a level playing field in the business world with everyone else that the company deals with (such as vendors and customers).

    Almost everyone who has criticized the unions has brought up corruption. Corruption is a human condition, not a union problem. If you think about the corruption in companies, unions’ problems seem minuscule in comparison. Companies are rotting to the core with pollution, tax cheating, bribiing government officials, cronyism, unfair business practices, and yes, union busting. I have sat in meetings with management where they plotted to screw the unions. I guess they assumed nobody in the room was sympathetic to labor. One company I worked for brought in a new hot-shot Area Manager from the Ireland plant. He called a convocation of the entire workforce and gave us a verbal dressing-down, saying that in Ireland this plant was a “fucking joke” (no kidding) and if we didn’t get our production cost down he was going to ship the whole plant to Mexico. Then, to prove his point, he shipped one whole manufacturing center plus its supporting mold shop to Mexico. The union caved. They allowed a two-tiered wage contract to be adopted that put new employees at a very low wage rate (which means why would they want to join the union who just screwed them?). Basically, they grandfather-claused themselves out of existence.

    This is a huge topic and I feel like I’ve barely even gotten into it. However, I do have to run along for now. I will get into the Beck thing eventually, I promise!

    I look forward to your thoughts on my partial response to your comment at your leisure.

    Thanks again for your stimulating comment, Larry.


    admin(Wexler)No Gravatar

    29 Aug 10 at 6:54 am

  104. Hi Larry,

    Thanks a lot for the thoughtful comment, and all of your time on the site! It means a lot to us. Please thank your referring friend for me. For the record though, I’m thinking I’m probably a bit more liberal… I’m an atheist, a socialist, and want to unionize everything :) .

    In terms of Chris as well as others (I’d personally cite Donny, who’s been commenting on the 12 Values page), my personal philosophy is to treat others as they treat me. If somebody leaves a thoughtful and polite comment, such as yourself, I’ll treat them with respect and really try to answer their comments as best I can. However if somebody leaves a comment such as Courtneywright or Norm James here on the lies page, well, we continue with their example.

    I personally have yelled at the screen when watching the Glenn Beck show. Have you seen my Glenn Beck Program Breakdowns yet? I have 3 up so far, and they are a HUGE pain for me to create. My own comments are easy enough to make, but wading through an hour of lies, crying, bellowing, and general scumbaggery are really difficult for me.

    I’m sorry if you feel like you’re getting the truth from Glenn Beck. Hopefully you’ve at least seen a few of our real, backed-up debunks here on the lies page. In terms of he thinking he’s telling the truth, well, there are two solutions for that. One, he’s just not. An example I’ll bring up for that is the 8/28 being on the anniversary of the “I have a dream” speech, and in the same place. Beck claimed he had no idea. Well, for all of his talk of civil rights, and having King’s niece over, I think that’s a big fat lie. And if it’s not a lie (unlikely)? Then he’s an idiot. Sorry for more name calling, which I know you don’t appreciate, but I think there’s no way around that. How could he possibly have not known? Did he just skip over all the calls, articles, and letters mentioning this? Did he look at calendars and whatnot and see no notes? Did nobody mention this when he was booking the national mall? Please.

    In terms of name-calling, well, I guess I can’t really deny that. However, I’m not sure why you watch Glenn Beck on a regular basis when half of what he does is call people Nazis and communists, and then say you’re yelling at your screen when we’re calling him names. The difference is, I think, that we’re not lying about him. We’re calling him a liar because we’ve proven him to be so. We’re calling him a hypocrite because we’ve proven him to be so. I also am not clear how you accuse us of ranting and raving, while regularly watching the man who literally gets down on his knees, bellows, and calls people Nazis on a regular basis. I think that people probably see the best of the people that they agree with.

    I welcome your continued viewership and comments, and if you’d ever like to address anything privately, please feel free to email me at

    Thanks again,

    admin(Quinlan)No Gravatar

    29 Aug 10 at 10:44 am

  105. Congratulations on the Website. This is the way to counter the loonies of the Right Wing—with facts. Every one of their pseudo-factual statements must be challenged.

    One point—under “Nazism,” you write, “Though popularized by Adolf Hitler during World War 2, the idea of it existed before then.” Hitler was in power for six years before WW II started, and he had defined his political ideas by the mid-20′s (Mein Kampf was a best-seller).

    Good luck with the site!

    Peter BogardNo Gravatar

    29 Aug 10 at 3:04 pm

  106. Hello Wexler, Quinn, and thanks so much for the responses. Today I paid dearly for staying up all night reading..but glad I did.

    Wex, your correct about my age, I am 46. I am one of those railroad buffs, and as a kid I would hang out at the local train station. While there I seen this old guy that looked like a tramp. Well I will talk to anyone, so I approaced him. After several conversations I found he was in fact very wealthy and was a huge investor. Over that summer he taught me how to read company reports, explained cash flow, and other things that I found somewhat interesting. Then he offered me a small sum to invest, and offered several companies he thought would be good picks. I of course invested in a railroad. Go figure! That was around 1978 or 79 or so. But he was not for unions at all.

    Now I have many friends who are in unions, so I hear a lot from them as well. I agree with you 100% that there is a place for both at the table, and if BOTH are honest with eachother BOTH will work to insure the companies profits and at the same time protect the labors interests. I have a friend of mine that worked for Cat in Decatur Illinois. A few years ago thay had a meeting scheduled to discuss concessions with management. As people were filing in, the executives were at the head table talking among themselves. One had is microphone on…and well guess what the top was? What color should his new expensive sports car should be. As the rank and file heard this conversation…they were amused. BUT when the meeting came to order the first thing was “In these tough economic times we all have to…….well you can guess the rest. It was at THAT moment the stike was going to happen. STUPID!!

    I grew up thinking that 90% of the population had the country’s best interest at heart. That business owners were somehow smarter then the rest of us…and everything I read HAD to be the truth. As I have gotten older I see now that is the opposite. I have met people in industry that are as dumb as a box of rocks, lucky yes….smart, not so much. Now I feel like a sheeple. And im pissed about it. I just cant seem to identify the sheeple herder! haha All I want is the truth!

    You proclaim your a socialist. A few years ago that would have resulted in my labeling you as a enemy of America. BUT you see, my brother seems to be in that camp, if not in it at least next door. I know my brother is one of the nicest guys to humanitity there is. He works on a local boards to betterment of his community. I dont see him as some evil person trying to tear down all that is good in the country. I see him wanting this utopian society where everyone has what the need, and nobody is hungry. I too want that, but its how we get there is where we differ. he believes that it will only take a force of a government to make that happen, I see it under free enterprise. So when you say you are a socialist, I see the possibility that you and my brother are made from that same mold. Now I would rather engage and understand then run and hide. I still may see the orange as red….but with understanding I think that there is always a middle ground. Shoot, in same cases my whole line of thinking is changed because of an exchange like this.

    I wish I could sit face to face over a weekend BBQ and some beers and talk, but this will have to do!
    For starters, can you explain to me what makes you socialsts? I know this is the Glenn site, but I think that for anyone to have a reasonable discussion they have to understand the other sides position. I want to hear what you find as a core belief and what is your definition of a socialst. Pretend im a 6th grader… my wife would say that is giving me undue credit. haha

    Thanks again to the both of you.

    Oh one comment about the date of the rally. Im sure he knew, and yea, I cant believe nobody would have said hey…. But I also did see someplace that it was picked 8/28 as that was a favorite scripture out of the bible. I do know I sometimes get focused on things and not see the dates. Just today I was telling my wife that I was going to be out of town thu saturday and she slammed me for not knowing its labor day weekend. Personally, I think if he didnt know at first, he did know at some point.

    I will be here often now….and welcome others to join in with real comments and questions. Im sure you both feel the same. We are all Americans, and we all have kids and grandkids that will have to live in what we leave for them. I just want my contribution to be on the plus column.

    LarryNo Gravatar

    29 Aug 10 at 3:14 pm

  107. Thank you, Peter. You’re right about Hitler, who came to power in 1933 (or 1932, by some people’s opinion). We want to flesh these topics out a bit, since Glenn throws them around in bizarre combinations all the time. Usually he does it by taking some offhand remark out of context (i.e., Anita Dunn giving a speech and quoting Mao) and then conflating that into Obama is surrounding himself with Maoists.

    The Nazi thing is, to me, the most ironic accusation he throws. This is because his tactics remind me so much of what went on in the political and economic turmoil in post WWI Germany. He demonizes and slanders people who disagree with him using false accusations, has dehumanized his political enemies suggesting that they are actively trying to destroy the country, and even has scapegoats (lately it’s the “progressives”). I’m supposed to be writing a piece on the progressive movement as I type this, but it can wait while I answer this. My thoughts on the progressive movement are, in a nutshell: if the progressives had never come along, we would have never survived WWI because our manufacturing methods were too primitive and we didn’t have a professional class to engineer and manage war production. Progressives pretty much changed us for the good, creating the middle class, leisure time, living wage, public education, food and product safety, regulation of medical devices, doctors, and drugs, and even EMTs. (Ambulance service used to be run by the funeral homes; talk about your conflict of interest.) Nobody’s perfect. They also gave us prohibition, a mistake, and social gospel, which has been pre-empted by the religious right. But the point is, whenever Beck blames everything on the “progressives” he can never specifically tell you who did what and what law got changed and how it affects anybody in real life. In other words, he’s just a windbag liar.

    Well, gotta run. Thanks very much for your comment, Peter, it’s appreciated. I will try to get caught up on the “lies” page, my goal was one per day, but I had a vacation and as you know this has been a very busy week.


    admin(Wexler)No Gravatar

    29 Aug 10 at 3:54 pm

  108. Hi again, Larry,

    We just got done entertaining our Sunday dinner guests. One of them lost her husband unexpectedly one year and one day ago, so things have been a bit intense.

    I have to get busy with my “progressive” page, but I saw your comment and just have to say something. I’m assuming Quinlan has already addressed your first post because you refer to him. He’s been a good influence on me regarding my response to posters. Sometimes when I get up with irrational people, I start getting irrational, too. I guess it’s like yawning. Bad deal though.

    Regarding socialism. There are things that the government can do better than private companies because they are universal services that everyone uses and therefore everyone should pay for. Examples… roads, water supplies, the military services, intelligence, diplomacy, and maintaining a social safety net. This last one is a common friction point between right and left. Usually it goes something like this: “I work hard for every dollar I make so why should I give it to some bum who’s too lazy to get a job or two or three, whatever it takes to support themself? There’s no free lunch.” This is painting with a pretty broad brush, so please forgive the generalization, but I’ve heard pretty much the same argument more than once, and it surfaced a lot during the health care fiasco.

    Look, I’m sympathetic with working people about not wanting to pay other people’s way. But it’s really a matter of practicality. We can’t have large portions of our population digging through garbage cans for food and living under bridges. Until fairly recently the minimum wage was $5.15 and it got kicked up to $7.25. Wow. People can’t live on that. You can’t even rent an apartment on that. Well, you’re supposed to go to school and educate yourself so you can get a better job. Really? How many people with college degrees have been out of work for a year or more? Millions, I’d bet. Glenn Beck says tough bananas, you should go out and flip hamburgers. Well, hamburger joints don’t want 50 year old professionals in their kitchens because they know they’re going to bolt as soon as they can. Even if you could a 40 hour per week job, your gross paycheck would be $290. This gives you $268 take home, minus of course the cost of getting to/from work, day care, cleaning your uniforms, and probably some others. Even if you had zero expenses, at that pay rate you’re looking at $1161.33 per month if you work every week of the year.

    Put that in perspective. Our mortgage payment is more than that. Our health insurance is $960. Our food bill is at least half that, our drug co-pays are $260, our utilities $240, water $75, communications bill is $220, well, you get the picture. If you have day care, you are, to use the old expression, “SOL”. This is exactly the place where millions of Americans find themselves right now. College educated, with good performance records, years of practical OTJ experience, and can’t find anything to do. Some people are in worse shape than others, of course, because they were living the “high life” on credit cards, maybe over-bought on their house, etc. But in CA a dumpy, small house costs half a million bucks. Commutes are long, COL is high, well, I know I’m preaching to the choir and I’ve gotten way too long on this.

    From a practical standpoint, the government is the right agency to handle these kinds of problems. Private charities would be nice, but obviously, if that worked, we wouldn’t have any people living in poverty, would we? We do, of course, 37 million of us. Practically speaking what can we do with these people? Let them die and let municipal workers pick up their bodies on the streets?

    I REALLY have to get back to my page. Thank you again for your comments, and I will try to get back to your first post to reflect on some of your post. Your thoughts are refreshing and the dialogue is enjoyable.


    admin(Wexler)No Gravatar

    29 Aug 10 at 4:34 pm

  109. I too am loving the dialog.

    Here is another piece of my life, I mentioned I started my own business. This was due to a conflict where the my former employer’s son, my boss and thought friend ( i knew him some 10 years before I took the position with his company) I had a project over in Russia, a diner I designed ( and the owner wanted me to come over and help with arranging the jobsite before my containers of seating, decor and millwork arrived. At the very last minute, after the expense was made by the client for airfares, visa’s etc etc. My “born again christian boss” tells me he prayed about my trip and in short says your not going. It just isnt safe. I was “ok” with that…BUT then he wanted me to lie to the client and tell him I was too busy to go. I refused as it made ME look like I was an idiot and so I told the client the truth. In the end, I was escorted out of the office on a trumped up charge, 3 days later…but I left with clients, and was picked up by a competitor where I am now representing them in the midwest.

    I bring this up because right after I “left” we continued the cobra insurance, but we simply could not afford it. My wife was on pain meds for a series of knee operations that led to a diagnosed arthrofibrosis. (spelling?) She was simply uninsurable….then disaster. Around Christmas of last year she was dianosed with a brain tumor. It is NOT cancer, BUT its in an area that is what the doctor called “prime real estate” where it still is life threatening. No insurance. So here I am with NO assets, no savings, a house payment of $1200 and upside down in value, a car payment same situation, and now what ends up at nearly $200,000 in bills. If not for my family and friends, I would have lost it all. So when you talk of budgets and expenses, I KNOW all too well. (she did have a form of radiation called a gamma knife so we are hopeful that it will work. Until then she cant drive, has painful headaches, her eyesight is effect and now short, all she can do is light cooking and housework at MOST!)

    So here I am working 100 hours a week, and trying to be what comes down to a single father running a hospice program and dealing with two teen age GIRLS and all their related problems…oh by the way, her brother is here as well with advanced parkinsons and personally I think insane as well)

    In the first week out of work I signed up for unemployment, and began trying to get my house in order. I applied at other design companies, but guess what, did you know there is a credit crunch and people are not building restaurants either??

    The good thing is that things are looking up now, in a few short months I am swamped with some work, some of it overseas. I still am not in the green but the last month was…and so will next. In the meantime I send in a whopping $25.00 per hospital bill each month. Its all I can do.

    I did take my last unemployment check in early May when I signed my first design contract. Some thought I should just lie and keep taking it. Honestly, some days I wish I still had it coming in. But to do so would have been wrong, so I didnt. That one question on the form..Have you received any compensation….

    I am pretty lucky though, I had something to fall back on, and a knowledge of the industry. Plus there just isnt anyone that teaches what I do, so there isnt much competition. But trying to get the work, and process it all by your self, well lets say overwhelming is a great word!

    Oh as for how I stand for Glenn calling people Nazis etc. Well I suppose when he lays out his facts, and they appear to be true, I didnt look at as a name calling nor more then calling one a democrate, a catholic or a Packers fan. It seemed that he was just telling us what they were calling themselves. I will admit I will be thinking about this though as I watch again.

    AS for calling us right wing loonies…well see thats what I mean. if you truly believe what your saying is right, then educate them. Debate them, maybe they have an idea or two you may like, and like me here, I want to understand more and maybe my ideas will change. But most people seeing that will just get defensive, call names back or click out. Then you lost a chance to ‘save” some one to your beliefs, or maybe learn something from theirs.

    I hope that I am not the only person that thinks like I do, I hope that not everyone is simply close minded and just likes to spout off crap that the other side isnt listening too. Or makes fun of mispelled words, all caps, and other silly things.

    Maybe I was or am a right wing loonie…but telling me that isnt the way to make one not a right wing loonie, just an angry one.

    Thanks guys…have a great week. Oh and sorry about the loss of your friend there Wexler. We have delt with that recently ourselves.

    Looking forward to delving in more deeply on your points.

    LarryNo Gravatar

    29 Aug 10 at 5:37 pm

  110. Hi Larry,

    Sorry for my ignorance, but did you have a point to make or question within that story from your life? Don’t get me wrong, it’s fine if you want to talk about yourself, I just want to make sure that there’s nothing in there that I should be directly responding to.

    There’s two problems about Beck and the name calling. First of all, the “facts” that he lays out are so often not true, and we try to debunk as many as we can (though sadly, with only two people, we can only handle a fraction). But even after that, are you saying that you thought Beck was only calling people Nazis because they had called themselves Nazis? I’m afraid not. There are no self-described Nazis (to my knowledge) on the left – plenty on the right however. And of all of the people that Beck has called “communist”, only a few really are. It’s slander, plain and simple. He is trying to enrage his audience, by calling people names. I am glad you will be thinking about this in your continued viewership.

    In terms of debating right wingers – well, actually, that’s a hobby of mine. I’m active on more than one forum, and of course I’m responding to all of the comments on this site here. However, we really do want to debate Glenn Beck. We know for a fact that he knows of the site, and yet he’s failed to take us up on our offer. Here’s the link:

    In terms of closed-mindedness, I really don’t appreciate that accusation. Show me proof of a god, and I’ll convert on the spot. Show me that Sarah Palin is a smart woman, and I’ll stop trashing her. Prove to me that Glenn Beck is a good person, and I’ll leave this website right now. And in terms of all caps – come on, now. A person that’s MAYBE graduated high school (based on her terrific grammar) coming on and calling us dumbasses? I really knew of no other way to respond to that.

    Thanks for your comment.

    admin(Quinlan)No Gravatar

    29 Aug 10 at 6:48 pm

  111. Hi Larry,

    I’m glad you’ll become a regular on the site! I look forward to our future conversations.

    Wexler put the whole socialism thing very well. I would like to add, however, about free enterprise – what would you like to see done that isn’t being done now, in terms of capitalism? Have big businesses not already proven that they do little but bribe politicians and mistreat their workers?

    You see, when you say a few years ago you would have seen us as enemies of America? That’s exactly what the right in general want you to think. They think that just because we don’t approve of their big businesses and care-for-the-rich, that we hate America and want some kind of a new USSR. It’s simply not true. We want equality. We want fairness. We want help to go to those that need it. We want rights, we want housing, we want to stop Bob the Unemployed going hungry while people like Glenn Beck make millions doing nothing but lying and slandering. And Glenn Beck, and the right at large, do not want any of these things.

    Thanks again.

    admin(Quinlan)No Gravatar

    29 Aug 10 at 7:38 pm

  112. Hello once again,

    Ill keep this one short…its late.

    My talking about myself was only so that you would know who I am and the way my ideas were formed. I think it makes for a better discussion to see things form the others point of view. I was helping you to see mine, or at least understand how my view came to be.

    When I spoke of close minding i didnt mean you, I ment in general and from everyone. I have been close minded at times as well, but I am trying to overcome that. I have tried very hard my whole life never to discount what others say, even if I am rolling my eyes on the inside! haha

    As for proving that Palin is smart or if Beck is good person, who really can say without first hand knowledge. I would say that to be where they are in life they both have had to have beter then average smarts and to be at least a decent person. I may not agree with Kieth O either, but I would LOVE to meet the guy, and I am sure he is a good guy…and yes, even though I feel the target sometimes of the humor…I still laugh.

    I would argue that big bussiness have brought us the innovations that we all enjoy. The old guy that got me interested in the stock market once said to me never make fun of the rich as they pay for the research and development of all new products by being the only ones that can afford such luxuries in the beginning. I use the VCR as an example. Remember when a blank tape was $20 and the top loading Panasonic was a grand? Not many average homes could buy that. Only the upper income homes. But once the costs of tooling, and development were paid, the costs came down…to where the masses could buy them. Microwave ovens were the example he used for me. The governments role, in my own humble opinion is to make sure the playing field is fair, protect domestic innovation by using tarrifs to keep other countries to dump products here at a below costs price before the product line matures. I agree that there are executives that make an absurd amount of money. But with executives that are good, its a bidding process between compaines. As long as the owners of the companies..aka stockholders feel that their executive is going to increase the market cap…and their investment, then I see no problem with natural market forces weeding out the those who simply sap the company. I seen an interview one time with the head of GE, this was in the 90′s I think. He was the highest paid executive at the time. he was asked point blank if he deserved that. He responded by saying that the market cap of the company was “down here” when he was first elected, and now its “up here”. His bonus amounted to a very small percentage of the wealth he created for the stockholders, and for the compny as a whole in new products. It made sense. As a reb I make 8% on my restaurant furniture. If I work my behind off for the next few hears, and I somehow make it to being rich, did I deserve it? What right does society have to then relieve me of more of a percentage then others.

    Can you debunk the one notion that the right proclaims, that the top 1% of all wage earners pays for 80% of the bills, and the top 10% pays something like 90%? Here is a glenn and rush point we can talk about, and is a major thing for me. It was said many times that if we took 100% of the top 10%, every single dollar, we wouldnt even come close to paying for what we are promising to pay with the unfunded mandates. I ask you, is this true? I have been shown and led to believe that it is. If it is, then all the talk of taxing them more falls flat.

    One last thing…the slander you claim he does nightly. If this is true, then why hasnt any one of these victims taken him to court? Or at the very least come out in a visiable way with not just “he is lying” and leave, but show us where he is wrong? Van Jones, is an example. He had to resign over what the right was saying about him. Now I have seen that maybe he has changed from those points that Glenn proclaims, and since then Mr Jones has said capitalism is the best way to achieve the green goals. Why on Earth did he not shout at the top of his lungs this? Why resign at all, why not say ok, this is a complete lie and sue? I would have!

    If by chance I run for office someday, and run as a GOP. And somebody pulls up and says OH look here, he is a restaurant designer and therefore he is gay. ( I do get that from people..and no, I am not. My sister…yes, me no…honest!) I would be all over that to set it straight, then let the chips fall where they may. This I do not understand, if its slander, then sue their pants off, make an example and then others would think twice before doing the same thing.

    I still think, and I say this with all due respect, that a difference in opinion is not slander. Taking something out of context to show it in a new way is. And both sides do this a lot. Saying something off handed in a conversation without due research is not slander, but a mistake, or just being an idiot. Once again, I would say that if someone was taping and sifting thru our every words lots would be wrong. THOUGH I will admit that if you make this ones career choice, and people regard what your saying as gospel, then by all means, get the facts straight before opening your mouth. Believe me, I am scared of that here as I will admit that you both probably have forgotten today more then I will ever know.

    One last thing…I had to laugh about the all caps. Ok Ill give you that one. Believe me, I understand. Coming into your house (this site) and blasting you is not real smart. It proves nothing. Its get nobody anywhere. Its a waste of everyones time. I would probably vent back too. Im only human! haha

    I wont be able to talk much this week, have a business to run. I put in well over 100 hours last week, and this week looks the same. But of course, this beats the other option!

    Thanks guys, email me direct if you have something that you want to say directly. My blackberry is attached to me, so ill respond right away.

    You both have a great week…..

    LarryNo Gravatar

    29 Aug 10 at 10:10 pm

  113. You say that Palin and Beck couldn’t be where they are without extra smarts. No, I disagree. The terms I would use here are “luck” and “demagoguery”.

    No, I don’t think big businesses have brought us these things – people have brought us these things. Businesses have simply managed to bring them to the mainstream. And how have they manage to do this? By abusing workers, busting unions, and outsourcing, as well as a number of other underhanded tactics that serve themselves and hurt others.

    No, there’s a big difference between slander and opinion. Opinion would be “I don’t like this guy”. Slander is “He’s a Nazi!” or “He’s a communist!”.

    Glad to hear about your gay sister, hopefully that means you’re not bigoted like so many conservatives.

    I’m sorry I can’t address your comment more thoroughly, but it’s late and I’m busy. Hopefully I can delve deeper tomorrow.

    admin(Quinlan)No Gravatar

    29 Aug 10 at 10:51 pm

  114. Wow, Larry, you’re really in a fix. I’m so sorry, and I hope things turn around for you soon. The area I live in is one pocket of relative affluence in the country (dumb luck on my part) and most people are cutting back on things but I only know one family that’s in similar conditions as you. I will send positive thoughts into the void on your behalf.

    That COBRA thing is great, isn’t it? When I got sick and had to quit, it was after 12 weeks of unpaid FMLA. Then I went back to work for 1 week and said f*ck it, can’t do this any more. So now I’m living with no income and my health insurance (which wasn’t exactly transparent but was taken out of my check) became a monthly payment of $1000. We had tried to buy insurance on our own a decade ago, and they wouldn’t issue a policy for my wife and I was “rated”, meaning they would insure me at a higher rate with exlcusions for pre-existing conditions. Fortunately for us, we do have assets. I started up my teaching studio and students started trickling in (the first summer I got down to one student). We kept cashing out assets and our COBRA end date started looming up. So we figured one of us better get a job with insurance. After much deliberation and looking, we decided that my wife would take a job caring for mentally disabled people. Not a pleasant task, but they advertise all the time that they have benefits. Well, here’s a cautionary tale. You’d better ask about the insurance policy during the job interview. When we started filling out the insurance forms, we found out that the policy was almost worthless. High deductibles, high copays, and get this… a cap of $18k per person per year.

    Two months after my wife started that job, the stress of it was so high that on Thanksgiving day, as we sat on the sofa together after our after-dinner stroll, she had a stroke. The cost of the stroke was peripheral neuropathy on the entire right side of her body, oh, and a few thousand dollars more than $18k. Fortunately we were still on our old insurance plan and have made other arrangements. Our insurance cost went down about $200 when we got out of my former employer’s group but it doesn’t cover a bunch of stuff and the deductibles and copays are much higher. (e.g., one of my maintenance drugs costs about $70 a month). Then last summer, when it looked like the health insurance reform bill was going to pass, they jacked it up about $300. So we’re back to $1000 a month. That’s a lot of damn music lessons.

    This is getting long again, but I wanted to address a couple of things in your posts to Quinlan. Van Jones… yes, I agree with you that he should have fought to stay, but the political costs of that need to be weighed very carefully. What some refer to as the “right wing noise machine” would have made this an issue and kept hammering on it incessantly, with updates and BREAKING NEWS and news crawlers about commie terrorists, you know the schtick. It is unfortunate, but the reality is that since the repeal of the Fairness Doctrine, the news business has become the assassination business, at least on one network.

    As to the top 1% paying 80% of the bills, (I can’t dispute the figures because I don’t have time to look it up) what they seem to be complaining about is the graduated tax system. (Or not?) In any case, the people who are making all of this money have benefited materially from the systems and infrastructure that enabled them to make all of that money. In recent times the tax burden has been shoved further and further down the food chain in the form of payroll taxes; while people at the top pay very low tax rates on unearned income, I was working 60 to 90 hour weeks as an electrical engineer, even when I was sick. The Bush tax cuts which are about to expire was an unfunded givaway of trillions of dollars to the top 1% who don’t need the money. It couldn’t have come at a worse time, because Bush’s unfunded wars were sucking billions of dollars out of the country (some of it on pallets of $100 bills that simply vanished). It was hidden in the budget of the National Guard which was sent on a mission for which it was never intended. (Think National = the US, Guard = defend something). :-) The intangible costs of the revulsion of the rest of the world at the US for invading Iraq will never be known but they are staggering as well. (See “balance of trade deficit”). Our managers keep laying off more and more people and shifting their work onto whoever is left… so their bottom line keeps getting better, our productivity looks great, we can build crap as cheaply as the Mexicans, and STILL nobody wants it.

    Gotta run. Thanks for another couple of great comments. I would like you to know that as your fellow citizen, I worry about your plight and the plights of millions of others who are in similar straits. That’s because I understand that we are an organism, not 300 million little separate parts strewn across the country. This nation’s greatness is not measured by the accomplishments or greatness of the top 1%; it’s measured by how we treat our own citizens when they hit bottom. This is a progressive notion, and I will expand upon it on the “Progressives” page.

    Best to ya,

    admin(Wexler)No Gravatar

    30 Aug 10 at 6:19 am

  115. [...] its a good idea to idolize anyone who has a website devoted to their repeated lying to the public. Glenn Beck Lies | The Glenn Beck Report I will say I haven't read that website, but, I have watched his show, and I feel like he is [...]

  116. Wexler: “But in CA a dumpy, small house costs half a million bucks.”

    Free clue… In much of NC a dumpy, small house costs a little over $100K

    Live where you want, but don’t expect everybody else to pay for your choice.

    CowboyNo Gravatar

    1 Sep 10 at 12:08 am

  117. Larry: “Can you debunk the one notion that the right proclaims, that the top 1% of all wage earners pays for 80% of the bills, and the top 10% pays something like 90%? Here is a glenn and rush point we can talk about, and is a major thing for me. It was said many times that if we took 100% of the top 10%, every single dollar, we wouldnt even come close to paying for what we are promising to pay with the unfunded mandates. I ask you, is this true? I have been shown and led to believe that it is. If it is, then all the talk of taxing them more falls flat. ”

    Incomes of people making $200K or more

    Taxes paid with links to original IRS data

    CowboyNo Gravatar

    1 Sep 10 at 12:12 am

  118. “Since you can’t prove a negative, I’m going to turn this around. If anyone has proof that those three people are “in and around the President”, prove it. I want WH visitors list, a photo, emails, memos, whatever. Secondly, I want you to prove that any of those people has current ties with any radical underground organization that is illegally working against the US government.”

    So obviously you want to rule out past convictions and confessions….

    And close ties only within the last 19 months.

    And no access to Whitehouse phone or crackberry records.

    Amusing restrictions. LOL!

    Of course, the Obama regime has refused FULL access to the Whitehouse visitor log, so that’s gonna be kinda tough anyway…

    Except for confessed terrorist bomber William Ayers. And he and his convicted terrorist wife probably chat over breakfast. And ex-convict Jeff Jones is Ayers’ old “running buddy”…

    And except for Malik Zulu Shabazz, national chairman of the radical New Black Panther Party.

    And Jeremiah Wright

    The Obama regime says those were just somebody else with the same names LOL!

    CowboyNo Gravatar

    1 Sep 10 at 12:42 am

  119. Cowboy,

    What you did, Cowboy, is simply restate the fallacious and untrue innuendo. It doesn’t prove anything to claim that people are “in the White House” and then say things like “they run with each other” or “they’ve been convicted” or “they’ve confessed”. And so what if the WH visitor log has been off limits? Bush did it. Bush refused to release all kinds of information. Was he guilty of harboring terrorists in the WH, too?

    The link you provide is to a story in WND. They are not a reliable source, they even admit that they have no source for one of the key claims in their story… that Shabazz was a visitor at the WH. From that page: “There is no known record of Shabazz visiting the White House. ” WTF? Do you just read the parts you agree with? Further in the story they state that the New Black Panther Party has material on Obama’s website. On the PRESIDENT’S website? “The NBPP labeled itself on Obama’s site as representing “freedom, justice and peace for all of mankind.” It linked to the official NBPP website, which contains what can be arguably regarded as hate material. ”

    Don’t be posting this crap to me, I have very low tolerance for it. I want you to prove that the people Beck listed are “in and around the President”. No bullshit need apply.


    admin(Wexler)No Gravatar

    1 Sep 10 at 4:50 am

  120. Cowboy…

    I didn’t say anybody should pay for anybody elses’ house. You said that.

    Thank you for verifying my assertion that home prices differ in different areas of the nation. Now everyone who wants to have an affordable house and live with the likes of Cowboy, North Carolina beckons.

    admin(Wexler)No Gravatar

    1 Sep 10 at 5:03 am

  121. Cowboy:

    The “income tax” fallacy has been disproved so many times that I’m surprised that you haven’t see it, Cowboy.

    Oh, maybe not, you don’t actually read things, you ingest pablum.

    Do you think you could give it a try, just this once? It’s from a GOP site.

    At this site it explains the difference between “income tax” and “payroll tax” and how this shifts the tax burden DOWN the food chain, not UP the food chain as serial liars like Rush Limbaugh like to tell fools like you who never met a lie they couldn’t believe.

    From the link above:

    The first fallacy: 50% of people do not pay taxes and they are all below 35k. This is a fallacy first all wage earners pay the payroll or FICA taxes. What they are referring to is income tax credits for those below 30k and the actual percentage is 47%. The big fallacy is that the 47% is all people below 35k. It seems that is a total including the 2% of 1M/year earners that pay 0 tax. Yes there are some in the 1M range that pay nothing. It is also only for single returns, not joint as joint was lower. This was used as a reason to give people with 250k or more a tax break next year, yet the 47% includes the people over 250k so its an invalid argument.

    Second even people below the minimum tax burden of 10k have to pay taxes. If you are employed you pay what we affectionately call the payroll tax. This is FICA, social security, and medicare which is about 15% of your pay half paid by the employee half by the employer. So the minimum tax is really 7.5% up until you make 106,800 which over that amount is exempt from the tax. What that means is those employed and make 250k currently do not pay the taxes on over half their income. In 2011 a 250k earners tax burden goes up by about 2%, most people look at the bracket going up and forget that not all of the money is taxed at the same rate. 2% is hardly a high tax, considering most do not pay the full rate with credits and deductions. The full rate for 250k is roughly 27% now and 27.3% in 2011.

    These distortions make it look like the rich are being severely punished for being successful and the poor are rewarded for being lazy. The truth is that the poor are at the greater disadvantage with the payroll tax. For instance my tax rate is roughly 20% at 80k my tax burden is about 28% with the payroll tax, while if I earned 250k my tax burden would be 30%. And I’m not able to get the really good tax breaks. My main tax breaks are the education credit and my mortgage interest.

    Cowboy… everyone is welcome to post here but when you come it spewing Rush Limbaugh to prove Glenn Beck you can expect to have your head handed to you.


    admin(Wexler)No Gravatar

    1 Sep 10 at 5:13 am

  122. Lies and Liars…to hear, click on or visit URL:

    MajorshadowNo Gravatar

    5 Sep 10 at 2:02 pm

  123. This is an unusual comment for us, since Quinn and I are both atheists. However, as I pointed out on the YouTube site, this is a great vocal blend, a nice gospel-sounding song which I can appreciate having performed gospel music before.

    Good luck with your music career, and please inform me of other tracks you have.


    admin(Wexler)No Gravatar

    5 Sep 10 at 3:33 pm

  124. Wexler,

    I understand that every one must have something that he/she is good at and devoted to, but I fail to understand why you focus so much of your time and talents to degrading another member of our nation. I am not saying that you must agree with Mr. Beck because I know that that is going to be impossible, but I would like you to consider focusing your abilities on changing America by means other than stirring up hate and anger while dividing us more than we already are. Please understand that you and Mr. Beck are two people with completely differing ideologies and beliefs that will forever clash but try not to bring down America with you. Remember he is a human just like you and I, and if you find one who hasn’t lied, changed views, or made a misteak please be sure to let me know. Although I do not agree with you, I will end by congratulating you on caring about what goes on in this country, because I firmly believe that it is not the difference of opinions that divide this failing nation, but the lack of opinions.


    ZachNo Gravatar

    23 Sep 10 at 3:12 pm

  125. Unfortunately your thesis is completely out to lunch.

    I’m not trying to take down anyone. I’m telling you about the guy who is.

    If you had any sense you would have known that; since you don’t, let me remind you who you seem to be defending. Glenn Beck, the gold huckster who has been boycotted by over 200 of America’s biggest corporations. Glenn Beck, who planned to put Ted Nugent on the stage during what was basically a Mormon revival meeting. Glenn Beck, who has insinuated that the President is pouring gasoline on the country and getting ready to set us on fire. And you know what you have to do to traitors, don’t you? Why of course you do.

    The person who is appealing to the worst parts of human nature is Beck. He appeals to tribalism, to fear, to racial hatred and class warfare. He constantly invents lies and shadowy non-existent conspiracies.

    So when you lie for a living, when your $32 million a year fortune is dependent on those lies, that puts you into a different class than those of us mortals. That makes you a professional liar.

    If you wish to discuss this further, I will entertain your thoughts on the topic, but only if you can understand that you are attacking the messenger here. Beck is the problem, not those of us who take time out of our personal lives to debunk his crap.


    admin(Wexler)No Gravatar

    23 Sep 10 at 7:32 pm

  126. [...] Glenn Beck Lies | The Glenn Beck Report for those who asked for a list of Beck's lies __________________ "You can't shoot a country until it becomes a democracy." – Willravel [...]

  127. This is a really lame site. The lies I came to view turn out to be just your opinions that differ from Beck’s opinions. Your supposed theory of what he would do on 8/28 made you as useless as a Mormon prophet. Admit what you are; a bunch of left-wing liberals all pissed off because Beck’s show is popular among many Americans.

    Alon TurgeonNo Gravatar

    1 Oct 10 at 1:02 pm

  128. Give me an example of a lie that is only opinion, and I’ll remove it right away.

    Left-wing and liberal is the same thing.

    I’m not pissed off that Beck is popular, I’m pissed off that he gains popularity by lying and inciting fear and hatred.

    admin(Quinlan)No Gravatar

    1 Oct 10 at 4:56 pm

  129. Alan…

    Beck surprised everybody by what he did on 8-28. I do like your comparison “as useless as a Mormon prophet”. They are indeed useless, although since Beck and the prophets are now in a deadly dance to see who controls the Mormon cult, they’re interesting.

    As far as the lies page goes, the reason why people like you think that it’s just a difference of opinion is that you are part of Idiot America. You are too shallow to think all the way to the bottom of a statement, which is why you get sucked in by Beck in the first place.

    $32 million a year and 2 million viewers a week isn’t going to save Beck. His 15 minutes is almost over, and one might arguably state that the clock sped up on 8-28 when he tried to reconcile Mormon cultism and Christianity as common enemies of reason. He should have done what I predicted he was going to do; it would have been better for business and his throng would have thought he was wonderful. Sadly for him, what he did was whip up a big platter of food for thought for moderates and Christians about the propriety of a Mormon lecturing Christians about the commonality of their two religions (BZZZZZZZT) and how the only way we can restore honor is to integrate religion into government (BZZZZZZZZZZT).

    Thanks for playing.

    admin(Wexler)No Gravatar

    2 Oct 10 at 5:14 am

  130. Hey Wex……

    I hope you found another lie that Beck stated the other day…claiming that Slavery was started or should I say expanded due to big Gov’t. I mean is this clown living on Planet Stupid or what?

    dagreat1No Gravatar

    7 Oct 10 at 9:23 am

  131. Yes, I heard this on KO’s “worst persons” segment a couple of nights back. LOL yes I was having a debate with myself whether to list this as a lie or as a jaw-dropping post of its own, or both.

    Thanks very much for the tip; I will admit to being very distracted from the website at the moment due to events in my music business life and also one of my two favorite nieces is getting married this weekend! Hopefully things will calm down a bit here, but I keep thinking that and it keeps getting busier. Some ol’ Swede in Minnesota told me one time, “The harder I work, the behinder I get.”

    Words of wisdom.

    Thanks again,

    admin(Wexler)No Gravatar

    7 Oct 10 at 9:33 am

  132. I have maintained for several years that Obama was groomed by George Soros out to destroy America. I live in Italy and get up in the early hours to watch your program. Your program on the origins of the Progressive movement which was a brilliant historical presentation several nights ago . A quote went up too quickly for me write it down of Soros Speaking about Being God and how he was finding it easier to see how easy it could be ( paraphrased ) to be God.. Could someone on your staff find it for me ?? and God bless you. God will take you through your physical problems!!! I’m here a walking miracle shot in the spine in Somalia in our secret war solely through prayer. You are the perfect manifestation of God in reality. Its called dis-ease for a reason, an absence of ease. A mind is a vessel and if kept full of God 100%, no disease can remain to manifest itself upon you.
    A light went off in my mind why he destroyed the British pound a bit more than 3 years ago when Soros made billions in engineering it. Now he’s up to same game printing money to bring inflation back but to devalue the dollar. We have to take back America and I hope you have many, many viewers to serve what you believe. I do !! garner

    Garner TullisNo Gravatar

    9 Oct 10 at 1:02 pm

  133. Oh, this is hilarious.

    You know how smart Glenn Beck’s followers are? Glenn Beck’s followers and fans are SO smart, they think that the opposition is a branch of the support. GOOD JOB. First of all, I can basically guarantee you that anything Beck says about Soros is heresay at the least and a bare faced lie at the most. Secondly, the idea of God is complete bullshit. Your imaginary friend can not bless anybody.

    For the next move, you tell me Soros is a commie and I explain to you how full of shit you are. Your turn, Beckerhead.

    admin(Quinlan)No Gravatar

    9 Oct 10 at 4:32 pm

  134. Garner,

    I realize that once in a while people can make an error. But for you to mistake this site as a Glenn Beck site shows either a propensity for blunders or ignorance of epic dimensions.

    As to your assertions about Beck. Beck does not have enough viewers to “take back America” and I’m not sure any of them know who it is they should take it back from or how to do it. The gent that said he listened to Beck who got into a shootout with cops on the freeway in California who was on his way to shoot up the Tides Foundation is a nutjob. I suspect you’re a nutjob, too, Garner.

    If you were a miracle in any way why would God waste a miracle on someone moron who can’t tell the difference between a Glenn Beck site and an anti-Glenn Beck site?

    Here’s a suggestion. Go to the “Free Halloween Masks” page, and get yourself a nice one. Have your mommy cut it out for you because I can’t believe you’re allowed to have scissors any more. Then go play in the traffic.


    admin(Wexler)No Gravatar

    11 Oct 10 at 8:21 am

  135. [...] has to say about Mr. Becks statements. PolitiFact | All statements involving Glenn Beck And… Glenn Beck Lies | The Glenn Beck Report And… LIES??? Fox New’s Glenn Beck Deceiving You??? Beck Only Tells Half the Story… [...]

  136. [...] Originally Posted by roysoldboy Why do you people keep talking about Beck's lies without ever enumerating any of them? Could it be because you know only what MM says about him and what he said. Whoops, I forgot to include Politico. I wonder if Spooky Dude Soros ever gives them any money. Here you go: Glenn Beck Lies | The Glenn Beck Report [...]

  137. [...] Stewart. Exposing the right wing class war is NOT the same as right-wingers LYING, whipping up fear and appealing to the worst aspects of the human condition. It’s JUST NOT. [...]

  138. Thank you for posting all glenn’s lies. He makes me sick!

    SherylNo Gravatar

    11 Nov 10 at 8:34 pm

  139. Thanks you for your kind comments, Sheryl.

    Please know that you are not alone. We surround them… (LOLOL). Seriously, He makes millions of us sick so I guess in that sense it’s true. We here at TGBR who spend time we should be using on our families and pets do appreciate the encouragement. We’re just a small part of the bigger picture, one of scores of sites that are trying to make sure that every lie Beck drops on us is discovered, explained, discussed, and dismissed to the trash heap.

    You know that sooner or later he’s going there. It’s already started, his ratings stink and he’s got no advertising revenue except from selling phony gold investment products that should be illegal. So hopefully we won’t be made sick by this jerk for too much longer.

    Thanks again…


    admin(Wexler)No Gravatar

    11 Nov 10 at 8:52 pm

  140. Gelnn Beck is performing a public service. Thank you Glenn. This site is laughable – it defends progressivism weakly and hurls personal insults a Beck! Not much of an arguement if you ask me. If progessivism is so good why does it take force to institute? Why not just go somewhere and start in? Because it does not work and treats people as animals. Go Glenn Beck!

    mayberryNo Gravatar

    12 Nov 10 at 8:55 am

  141. mayberry…

    Sorry, but you’re a dimwit. When did American progressives use force to institute anything? (Other than Prohibition, which was really a regressive idea that is adopted today by rightwing nutjobs with “DARE” and the “War on Drugs).

    You may think what you may about our comments on Progressivism, it’s a free country. You have a right to be an idiot, in fact, you have a right to live in Idiot America. But facts are facts. The fact is, we’ve pointed out how Progressivism has moved America from basically a feudal system of capitalist overlords to a modern state that functions in the 21st century. You have not pointed out anything. Except that you love Glenn Beck and therefore that makes you an idiot.

    Now if you want to come back and fight like a man (or woman) then put on your thinking cap and prove one thing on this site, just start with ONE THING, that you can prove is wrong.

    We won’t be hearing from you again, will we.


    PS We already live in a progressive nation, even socialist. I know you don’t understand such things, because you probably didn’t realize where you school came from. Maybe Jesus built it. Mormons?

    admin(Wexler)No Gravatar

    12 Nov 10 at 9:18 am

  142. “you’re a dimwit”
    “You have a right to be an idiot”
    “I know you don’t understand such things”

    Three personal insults in a row; standard procedure for this site by the admins?

    Everything that progressives work for requires force to implement. Once written into law, try and say no and the government arrives with guns to make you comply. And getting things written into law is the progressive goal.

    Once again if its so good try Asking instead of Telling people what you want.

    And I do not see your name in my copy of Mensa Magazine this month. Maybe you should rethink your assumptions, friend.

    I will not be back here for awhile as I am busy working to crush progressivism and turn back 100 years of the destruction of our constitution.

    PS Go Glenn Beck!

    mayberryNo Gravatar

    12 Nov 10 at 9:41 am

  143. You still haven’t put on your thinking cap, mayberry.

    You get one more chance to get specific, then you’re done posting here. You see, I don’t tolerate bullshit from people on your side like you expect us to. So, if you can debunk one thing on our website, please do. Otherwise, go f*ck yourself.

    If you’re trying to say that the government doesn’t have the right to enforce laws, then you belong on the TeaBaggers and Other Vermin page with the “patriot” groups. Are you going to blow anything up? Please PM me before you do so I can send your IP to the police.

    Thanks for your comment,


    admin(Wexler)No Gravatar

    12 Nov 10 at 9:46 am

  144. So you’re implying that once the progressives pass all the laws to keep you alive and keep rooves over your heads, we’re going to come and shoot you? No, I think you’re thinking of the wrong party there. Last time I checked, “bleeding heart liberals” were the ones that DIDN’T use guns. Nice try though. You probably worked harder on that than anything else. Good luck disproving anything.

    admin(Quinlan)No Gravatar

    12 Nov 10 at 10:38 am

  145. This is the sort of “news” you can get 24/7 on Fox.

    Typical Glenn Beck taking words out contexts to fabricate his lies.

    Oct. 18, 2010

    Barack Obama: Call to Service in Colorado Springs, CO

    July 2, 2008

    At 17 minutes into this speech is where Obama speaks of the Civilian Defense. Tune in at about 15 1/2 minutes, or listen to the whole thing. I did.

    RAWNo Gravatar

    17 Nov 10 at 9:32 am

  146. It never ceases to amaze me how Beck can spin this stuff and since people hate Obama they will believe anything. I remember when he was on this trip, he had a couple of discredited meatheads on his show and by the end of it they convinced each other that AmeriCorps was Obama’s private Gestapo with a budget as big as the Pentagon’s.

    Only…. down on planet Earth, AmeriCorps is a volunteer organization that works with hunger, illiteracy, poverty, homelessness, and other such issues. They are not issued uniforms, they receive no military or self-defense training, they are not connected with the police forces of any city, county, or military. They have no air support.

    But that’s Obama’s private army, waiting for instructions to seize America either from Obama or George Soros. LOL

    Thanks for the comment.

    admin(Wexler)No Gravatar

    17 Nov 10 at 10:39 am

  147. Your intent was successful? Watch this.

    admin(Wexler)No Gravatar

    1 Jan 11 at 1:10 pm

  148. [...] what’s that called when you say something that isn’t true? Oh yeah, Glenn wants every lie to be taken as [...]

  149. [...] may check back often to my page Glenn Beck Lies, where I will debunk his statements with the plain truth, an element that is completely lacking [...]

  150. Honestly, I think that the John Doe poster is just a Troll. He is just speaking nonsense in order to provoke a fight.

    But that is not to say that I support Beck or his lies in the least.

    And the man most DEFINITELY lies.

    according to him, no previous president has been sworn into office without a Bible. He said he ‘checked’.

    LIE: John Qunicy Adams used a law book. Franklin Pierce didn’t even swear. He affirmed. Teddy Roosevelt used no Bible. Several Presidents kissed a Bible but did not swear on it.

    Next up: he said that $1.4 million of stimulus momey was used to repair a door at Dyess AFB.

    LIE: The doors repaired were AIRCRAFT HANGAR doors and the cost was not $1.4 million. The cost was $246000 out of $1.4 million in repairs funding.

    And here’s one: he said the US is the only country who judges its natural-born citizens jus soli (birth-right provision).


    Oh, oh and then there’s this drivel: Beck claims John Holdren, director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, “has proposed forcing abortions and putting sterilants in the drinking water to control population.”

    SERIOUSLY?!? This is the kind of thing that makes it clear that the man either remains willfully ignorant or is clearly so uneducated that he has no reading comprehension skills and does not understand scientific texts. His source was a 1977 book in which Holdren was the THIRD author. And it in no way ADVOCATES either of those options. In classical scientific speak it discusses all options that have been given for population control and goes on to EXPLICITLY suggest that non-coercive means are the best options. But Beck lied. Why?

    Because your fear gives him power.

    LanaNo Gravatar

    1 Mar 11 at 5:46 pm

  151. Glenn Beck is a damn liar. He does nothing but demonize anybody his puppeteers tell him to, but the worst part of all is that people actually believe his bullshit over anything and anyone else despite the evidence presented that Glenn IS lying.

    Example: There’s a guy I go to school with who is basically a walking advert for Glenn Beck. I’m not kidding. Every t-shirt this guy wears is Glenn Beck related. Not only that but anytime I have a conversation with him he basically parrots Glenn’s bullshit almost verbatim. It absolutely infuriates me and there are some days I’m surprised I’m even able to keep my composure. He strikes me as someone who came from an age where it was basically incumbent to believe in authority or radio and television personalities, even when they’re flat out wrong.

    The question is, how do you deal with someone like this? How do you talk to someone who literally buys into Beck’s bullshit wholesale?

    MichaelNo Gravatar

    3 Mar 11 at 2:26 pm

  152. I absolutely have talked to these people. One big problem is that no matter how many of his lies you shove in their faces, they pretend not to hear a thing that you’re saying. That’s the main goal I try to provide with this Lies page, to provide irrefutable evidence of the outright falsifications that Beck puts out every single day. If you refer your friend here and he leaves a comment, I’ll do my absolute best to reason with him and show him why Beck is the last person on Earth that anyone should listen to.

    Thanks for the comment.

    admin(Quinlan)No Gravatar

    3 Mar 11 at 2:40 pm


    This video to all arguments!

    IanNo Gravatar

    8 Mar 11 at 8:53 pm

  154. You have it all wrong. We do not have one man one vote, check the constitution and look up electoral college. We do not vote for a president, just for a group of people to vote us and truth be known the democratic electoral voters could vote for a republican so we don’t have a democracy that is what the founding fathers did not want at all, thus no women could vote and no one that didn’t own property. doesn’t sound much like democracy does it.

    donNo Gravatar

    2 Apr 11 at 11:39 pm

  155. I acknowledge that the electoral college system is fundamentally broken. It absolutely needs to be fixed, but things are not so extreme that you can assert that this isn’t a democracy. We do not elect representatives to vote for our party choices. We can’t even elect them to vote for our individual choices, because there are so many of us with individual opinions. We elect them to vote for their own choices. Reinforcing the system of democracy, we have the ability to recall people from office if we are truly unhappy with them. America’s democracy is broken. It’s weak, and it’s not nearly as good as others. But it is a democracy nonetheless.

    admin(Quinlan)No Gravatar

    3 Apr 11 at 7:13 am

  156. [...] material is intended for idiots, and getting angry about it is about as productive as it is trying to point out how many lies Glenn Beck tells. The issue I have here is that, with our cultural value becoming essentially worthless, the quality [...]

  157. [...] from his mouth are woefully ignorant. There's an entire page dedicated to his lunacy and lies. Linkage The GOP's voucher programs has several flaws–primary of which is killing you. Once you run out of [...]

  158. When you say he lies, why don’t you post a link for a video that captures the minute or whatever exactly it is, that he is actually lying. Then debunk it. Everything you have here, I say, what if You are lying? You need to do a better job, my man. Need the info. Muchos Grassias!!

    s.g.No Gravatar

    16 Jun 11 at 8:41 pm

  159. I’m all for debunking the nutjob glenn beck, but i really think you need to better reference your beck quotes. date, show, time code, etc. that way we can see for ourselves what the original b.s. is.

    davidNo Gravatar

    21 Jun 11 at 4:26 pm

  160. I can’t post a video for every lie, I simply don’t have the bandwidth. But I’ll start citing my sources on a regular basis, thanks for the comment.

    admin(Quinlan)No Gravatar

    30 Jun 11 at 1:00 am

  161. I’ll start doing that, that’s a good point. Thanks for your readership.

    admin(Quinlan)No Gravatar

    30 Jun 11 at 1:00 am

  162. Well put site. I share your anger at this cult leader. The sad truth is that no opinions or facts put in any way will change his followers minds. They are authoritarians. My sister is a Beck follower and I was going freaking crazy debating with her, wondering why she couldn’t understand facts. One day she told me that Beck is a prophet and he was sent here by god to preach about the end times, she told me that she believes demons are working through me to shake her faith, this sent me off the deep end, of course. Then i found a book on authoritarianism, it helped to understand her thought process a lot. It explains, for example, how someone could comment on your site by saying you are using fear and hate to stir people up and create anger and disagreenment, without a single hint of irony. That person honestly does not see that Beck does that. You think they are being a smart ass, or they are just stupid, but they are not. Their brane will not let them see wrong in their authority, in this case Beck. I just wanted to share because, although it doesn’t at all change my anger at Beck, it truely helps me to not go crazy every day that people believe his BS.

    legalbNo Gravatar

    7 Jul 11 at 5:05 pm

  163. Thank you for the comment. I’m so sorry about your sister. I’ve had people close to me in the past who were followers of his or others, none quite as bad as your own though. Would you be willing to show her the Lies page here? If you could just sit with her, show her all the times that this “prophet of God” has lied to our faces, you could plant a seed of doubt. A lot of the time, that’s all it takes. Also, I don’t know what religion she is, but you might want to mention that he’s a Mormon. And a terrible one at that.

    admin(Quinlan)No Gravatar

    12 Jul 11 at 11:36 pm

  164. [...] He’s also incited at least three assassination attempts.  The with amount of blatant lies he spews on a daily basis to promote hatred against liberals, he resembles a nazi propagandist more [...]

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